[The_Victor]

Maybe The Victor could engineer for the benefit of all a model of testing that would affirm or not affirm ID.

That would require that we be able to prove or disprove the existence of God. No model conceived in this life is going to suffice.

[jec41]

Maybe The Victor could engineer for the benefit of all a model of testing that would affirm or not affirm ID.

That would require that we be able to prove or disprove the existence of God. No model conceived in this life is going to suffice.

Proof is a term of philosophy not science. Theory is of a higher order than proof by argument.

It is correct that without a fact neither science or engineering can concieve of any theory that would affirm or not affirm ID. Thats why ID is not science.