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Seven Days in April -- Generals Prepare to 'Revolt' Against Rumsfeld
Real Clear Politics ^ | April 18, 2006 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 04/18/2006 5:28:03 AM PDT by conservativecorner

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To: kabar

On paper MecCellon(sp?) was a far better general then Grant. In peace time MeCellon was a far better General then Grant. War changes everything.


161 posted on 04/18/2006 9:22:21 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: sinkspur

We have some of them (Bathists) around as advisors and technicians. They are just not running the show. Some will in time earn their stripes with the Iraqi people and become productive. Sounds like a pretty good plan to me.


162 posted on 04/18/2006 9:22:48 AM PDT by NAVY84
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To: Yasotay
30 September 1944 Stimson to Ike:

Why are you still in Normandy? Stalin keeps saying that our efforts prove that we really our the "Little Allies". I remember your plans back in 1940 about needing a large Army .... but that is SO unneeded. I gave all that money to Wild Bill who promises me everything can be done with mercenaries.

BTW, I've got this secret I can't tell you about yet .... it will win the war if you can't ....

163 posted on 04/18/2006 9:27:57 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: jpsb

Rumsfeld has proven himself period. What is on paper is his actual performance. He's done it. He has run two Fortune 500 companies successfully and been SecDef twice, once in peacetime and once at war. Rumsfeld has the complete confidence of his boss and CIC, George W. Bush.


164 posted on 04/18/2006 9:28:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ChinaThreat

Read your on posts. You are the one yelling fire.


165 posted on 04/18/2006 9:28:35 AM PDT by Gamecock ( "I save dead people" -- God (Eph 2:5)
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To: conservativecorner

They don't know who they're dealing with!

166 posted on 04/18/2006 9:30:02 AM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: jpsb

No one wants a conscripted military. What we gain in quantity we lose in quality. There's no gain. Pain as an end in itself is pointless.


167 posted on 04/18/2006 9:39:07 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Are you hearing anything about this situation with the generals?


168 posted on 04/18/2006 9:40:19 AM PDT by Grandma Pam
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To: Yasotay
31 December 1944 Stimson to Ike:

Your last name is German right? I sense a problem here .... Uncle Joe offered up some camps in Siberia to send German Americans that don't measure up. To calm Uncle Joe down I had to tell him the secret I can't tell you, but Wild Bill assures me Uncle Joe can't get one for ten years. Now get out of Normandy and take Paris Now!

169 posted on 04/18/2006 9:43:39 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: ChinaThreat

Well said!


170 posted on 04/18/2006 9:50:52 AM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: jpsb

Just for info: IIRC The all volunteer force peaked at 20 Active and 17 Guard Divisions + ~20 Seperate Brigades, 3 Active and 1 Reserve USMC Divisions (Troop equiv of ~12 Army LIDs) 596 of the planned 600 ship (15 CVBG) Navy, 25 B-2s, 100 B-1s, 450 B-52s, and a ton of A-10, F-15, F-16, F-111 ...

I think we could do what we need to without the draft, but we'll need to do something about some ex-generals, the dems and their traitorous friends in the media.


171 posted on 04/18/2006 9:51:34 AM PDT by NAVY84
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To: Grandma Pam
Yes, and everything I hear, I send directly to Rush Limbaugh. I wont be talking about it on this forum.
172 posted on 04/18/2006 9:56:33 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: Grandma Pam
I will tell you this much, Bush and Rummy are not just sitting back and taking it.
173 posted on 04/18/2006 9:58:48 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: Yasotay
1 February 1945 Stimson to Ike:

You see my RMA works! While all your "old army" was pushed back to the beaches of Normandy, we destroyed all those tanks and SS with airpower and naval gunfire.... the problem is that Uncle Joe with his huge old army is at the doorsteps of Berlin! Maybe you need a vacation in Siberia .... If only I'd given more money to Wild Bill ....
174 posted on 04/18/2006 10:00:25 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Rokke
My sources for what? For saying you have no idea what you are talking about? Let's put it this way...the countless friends and acquaintances I have currently working at the Pentagon, have more on their minds then clever nicknames stolen from the pages of DU. And they are honored to work for Rumsfeld.

You've purported in your profile: "I enjoy a spirited debate on FreeRepublic, but you better be willing to support your contentions with factual support, or I will quickly lose interest in anything you have to say. That especially applies to conspiracy theorists and anyone who thinks name calling is a useful debate technique"...

So I again ask for your "factual support"...my sources actually WORK at the Pentagon and have often been the anonomous (because of their active-duty status) ones usually reported in the MSM.

175 posted on 04/18/2006 10:03:29 AM PDT by meandog (Mohammad was not a prophet but a pedophile!)
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To: ChinaThreat
It is ironic that you've used the example of Gen. George McClellan on two occasions in this thread...
If you'll remember from history, he was credited with building the army that eventually won the Civil War.
Rummy, on the other hand, is being credited with tearing down much of the military (the Navy, for instance, must draw down by 80,000 sailors by 2009).
The future Rummy military is going to rely on UAVs to do much of the USAF's airwarfare, DDX warships with only 80 sailors, an Army that uses robotic soldiers, etc.
176 posted on 04/18/2006 10:07:51 AM PDT by meandog (Mohammad was not a prophet but a pedophile!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Glad to hear that. I wasn't too concerned about it until this Tony Blankeley article came out. Maybe I'm just watching too much "24" and seeing a conspiracy everywhere I look :)

Thanks for the quick reply.


177 posted on 04/18/2006 10:11:26 AM PDT by Grandma Pam
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To: meandog
So, you know who is leaking from the Pentagon, and you are not telling anyone? Why is that?

You better have a good explanation, because some of those leaks breached security during a time of war, and I want to know who they are. And furthermore, if you do not turn them in for violating security, you are just as guilty as they are.

178 posted on 04/18/2006 10:26:07 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: meandog; Pukin Dog

Read meandog's last paragraph in post 175. He knows who the "anonymous sources" in the MSM are. Swell guy, huh?


179 posted on 04/18/2006 10:27:43 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: meandog
It is ironic that you've used the example of Gen. George McClellan on two occasions in this thread... If you'll remember from history, he was credited with building the army that eventually won the Civil War.

A little revisionist history on your part.

Early in the War, McClellan played an important role in raising a well-trained and organized army for the Union. However, meticulous in his planning and preparations, his leadership skills during battles were questioned, and he was accused of being incompetent and overly cautious. While skilled in organization, he lacked the decisive drive of Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, or William Tecumseh Sherman, who were willing to risk a major battle even when all preparations were not perfect. The failure of his Peninsula Campaign in 1862 to seize Richmond was due in no small part to McClellan's slow and cautious troop movements toward the Confederate capital of Richmond, which provided the Confederate leaders valuable time to strengthen the city's defenses.

General McClellan also seemed never to grasp that he needed to maintain the trust of U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, and proved to be frustratingly insubordinate to the commander-in-chief. After he was relieved of command, McClellan became the unsuccessful Democratic nominee opposing Lincoln in the 1864 presidential election.

Rummy, on the other hand, is being credited with tearing down much of the military (the Navy, for instance, must draw down by 80,000 sailors by 2009). The future Rummy military is going to rely on UAVs to do much of the USAF's airwarfare, DDX warships with only 80 sailors, an Army that uses robotic soldiers, etc.

The DOD budget, aside from the Iraq war, has gone up every year under Rumsfeld after the disasterous gutting of the military under Clinton/Cohen and the so-called peace dividend. Manning levels have also increased. As usual, you have your "facts" wrong. Who is doing the "crediting?" You and the Dems?

180 posted on 04/18/2006 10:27:58 AM PDT by kabar
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