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An Ugly Reality (Thomas Sowell On The Real Meaning Of The Open Borders Lobby's Demands Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 04/18/06 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 04/18/2006 1:36:37 AM PDT by goldstategop

Thank heaven for the massive marches across the country by those favoring illegal immigrants. These marches revealed the ugly truth behind the fog of pious words and clever political spin from the media and from both Democrats and Republicans in Washington. "Guest workers"? Did any of the strident speakers, with their in-your-face bombast in Spanish, sound like guests? Did they sound like people who wanted to become Americans?

Were they even asking for amnesty? They didn't sound like they were asking for anything. They sounded like they were telling. Demanding. Threatening.

Somebody must have told them that their Mexican flags that dominated the earlier marches were not making a good impression on television, so they started flying American flags. But such cosmetic changes did not keep the ugly reality from coming through in their hostile speeches.

These were not the speeches of people who wanted to join American society but people who wanted their own turf on American soil -- in disregard and defiance of what American citizens want.

Europe has already been through this "guest worker" policy that we are being urged to follow. They have learned the hard way what it means to have a growing foreign population in their midst -- a population that insists on remaining foreign and hostile to the culture, values and people around them.

Some European countries have learned this lesson at the cost of riots and bloodshed in the streets and lives lost in terrorist attacks. Others have only had to contend with national polarization -- thus far -- but polarization is not a small thing.

In this country, however, there are still people who refuse to learn any lesson at all. Some business interests see only an opportunity to get cheap labor. Some intellectuals see only abstract principles about abstract people crossing an abstract border.

Some tell us loftily that earlier generations of immigrants who were once thought to be unassimilable turned out over time to become as American as anyone else and patriotic citizens.

That might well be true of immigrants from Mexico, both legal and illegal, if the circumstances of today were the same as the circumstances during an earlier era of immigration from Europe. But circumstances are not the same -- and those circumstances are not going to become the same by pretending that they are.

The ugly display of grievance-mongering bombast at the illegal immigrant marches is just one of those circumstances that are not the same as in an earlier era.

When people came here from Europe, they came here to become Americans. There was no prouder title for them.

American generals of German ancestry led the fight against Germany in both World Wars. The Irish "Fighting 69th" earned its fame on the battlefields of the First World War and Japanese American fighting units were among the most highly decorated in World War II. They proved they were Americans.

The underlying tragedy of the present situation is that it is doubtful whether the activist loudmouths, who were too contemptuous of this country to even speak its language while demanding its benefits, represent most immigrants from Mexico.

Both legal and illegal immigrants have come here primarily to work and make a better life for themselves and their families. But a country requires more than workers. It requires people who are citizens not only in name but in commitment.

Americanization did not happen automatically in earlier times and it will not happen automatically today. Immigrants in an earlier era had leaders and organizations actively working to transform them into Americans -- the Catholic Church with the Irish and numerous organizations among the Jews, for example.

Today's immigrant activists and the politicians who kowtow to them have just the opposite agenda, to keep foreigners foreign and to make other Americans accept and adjust to that. It will be a national tragedy if they succeed.

Just what problem will amnesty solve? Illegal aliens will benefit and politicians will benefit by sweeping the illegality under the rug by making it legal. But how will American citizens benefit? America can lose big time.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; barbarians; bigbusiness; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; mexico; nationalfabric; nationalsecurity; openborderslobby; slamdunk; thomassowell; townhall; uglyreality
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To: goldstategop
"... earlier generations of immigrants who were once thought to be unassimilable ..."

Easy for him to say.


Go ahead. You try it! -- Un-as-sim-il-ab-le ...

I knew you could.

41 posted on 04/18/2006 9:33:05 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I don't want a World with empty dreams ... Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty Now!...Farm Mars!)
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To: Gordongekko909

LOL...That's funny, Sokal had people just lining up agreeing with the jibberish. I don't have any degrees but I think this happens fairly often.


42 posted on 04/18/2006 9:53:04 AM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: goldstategop; Liz

Perhaps I just missed it, but what exactly is the national security threat here on par with, oh I don't know, terrorists crashing planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and White House on 9/11?


43 posted on 04/18/2006 9:56:59 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: tertiary01; onyx

"Invasion"?! "Slamdunk"? Do either of you honestly think those illegal aliens who are NOT terrorists and BREAK NO OTHER LAW, but just come to the U.S. to make a better life for themselves and their families, are actual threats to U.S. national security?


44 posted on 04/18/2006 9:59:41 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Humble Servant; dirtboy

IIRC May 1st is Mexican "Labor Day" (we have one of those too and no one calls it a "Communist" holiday ; )


45 posted on 04/18/2006 10:08:34 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Truth, to them, isn't some objective set of facts, it is whatever they can get a general consensus on. If they can get people to believe the Earth is flat, then it's flat.

I'm sure it's just a coinky-dince that it falls on May Day, which just happens to be the biggest Commie-fest day of the year.

I'm gonna take a vacation day and go shopping with my Latina wife. Give her my wallet and she can shop any ten illegals under the table.

46 posted on 04/18/2006 10:12:42 AM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: dirtboy

Well, yeah - I'm with Cardinal Mahony on this one - there should not be a boycott on May 1st. Much more productive is a sustained boycott like the one against Costa Mesa businesses - I am proud to say I have stayed completely away from South Coast Plaza : )


47 posted on 04/18/2006 10:15:16 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: alaskamomma

I have contacted Mike DeWine EVERY day to protest his proposal and all I get is a stupid pat response email. I am going all out in the primary to get a CONSERVATIVE on the ballot.
(Mike Oxley has been unavailable and Voinivich never responds, probably due to all the positive John Bolton articles I email him.)


48 posted on 04/18/2006 10:21:52 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: clawrence3

Oh please, figure it out.

Our porous borders are easy entry points not only for lettuce pickers, but for unknown entities who migrate from other countries to Central America.

There's a big business in transporting these individuals from Cent/Am to the Mexican border with the rest of the lettuce pickers.

These people have "plans" but not to pick lettuce.


49 posted on 04/18/2006 10:24:01 AM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: goldstategop

One of the best explanations of what is really going on I have seen. I will have to start paying attention to Sowell.


50 posted on 04/18/2006 10:37:25 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: clawrence3

Who mentioned terrorists, o' almighty thread stealer?

But ....if they are really as easily manipulated by Commie subversives as they appear to be in the last two demos, the answer is YES.


51 posted on 04/18/2006 11:13:41 AM PDT by tertiary01 (May 1st-- PINKO DE MAYO shop til you drop)
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To: tertiary01

Both parties mentioned "national security" - just asking about that specifically - thanks for your answer though.


52 posted on 04/18/2006 11:22:27 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Thank heaven for the massive marches across the country by those favoring illegal immigrants. These marches revealed the ugly truth behind the fog of pious words and clever political spin from the media and from both Democrats and Republicans in Washington. "Guest workers"? Did any of the strident speakers, with their in-your-face bombast in Spanish, sound like guests? Did they sound like people who wanted to become Americans?

Were they even asking for amnesty? They didn't sound like they were asking for anything. They sounded like they were telling. Demanding. Threatening.

Somebody must have told them that their Mexican flags that dominated the earlier marches were not making a good impression on television, so they started flying American flags. But such cosmetic changes did not keep the ugly reality from coming through in their hostile speeches.

These were not the speeches of people who wanted to join American society but people who wanted their own turf on American soil -- in disregard and defiance of what American citizens want.

Europe has already been through this "guest worker" policy that we are being urged to follow. They have learned the hard way what it means to have a growing foreign population in their midst -- a population that insists on remaining foreign and hostile to the culture, values and people around them.

Some European countries have learned this lesson at the cost of riots and bloodshed in the streets and lives lost in terrorist attacks. Others have only had to contend with national polarization -- thus far -- but polarization is not a small thing.

In this country, however, there are still people who refuse to learn any lesson at all. Some business interests see only an opportunity to get cheap labor. Some intellectuals see only abstract principles about abstract people crossing an abstract border.

Some tell us loftily that earlier generations of immigrants who were once thought to be unassimilable turned out over time to become as American as anyone else and patriotic citizens.

That might well be true of immigrants from Mexico, both legal and illegal, if the circumstances of today were the same as the circumstances during an earlier era of immigration from Europe. But circumstances are not the same -- and those circumstances are not going to become the same by pretending that they are.

The ugly display of grievance-mongering bombast at the illegal immigrant marches is just one of those circumstances that are not the same as in an earlier era.

When people came here from Europe, they came here to become Americans. There was no prouder title for them.

American generals of German ancestry led the fight against Germany in both World Wars. The Irish "Fighting 69th" earned its fame on the battlefields of the First World War and Japanese American fighting units were among the most highly decorated in World War II. They proved they were Americans.

The underlying tragedy of the present situation is that it is doubtful whether the activist loudmouths, who were too contemptuous of this country to even speak its language while demanding its benefits, represent most immigrants from Mexico.

Both legal and illegal immigrants have come here primarily to work and make a better life for themselves and their families. But a country requires more than workers. It requires people who are citizens not only in name but in commitment.

Americanization did not happen automatically in earlier times and it will not happen automatically today. Immigrants in an earlier era had leaders and organizations actively working to transform them into Americans -- the Catholic Church with the Irish and numerous organizations among the Jews, for example.

Today's immigrant activists and the politicians who kowtow to them have just the opposite agenda, to keep foreigners foreign and to make other Americans accept and adjust to that. It will be a national tragedy if they succeed.

Just what problem will amnesty solve? Illegal aliens will benefit and politicians will benefit by sweeping the illegality under the rug by making it legal. But how will American citizens benefit? America can lose big time.


53 posted on 04/18/2006 1:34:37 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: onyx
I read that from Sowell the first time around - I was asking if YOU honestly think those illegal aliens who are NOT terrorists and BREAK NO OTHER LAW, but just come to the U.S. to make a better life for themselves and their families, are actual threats to U.S. national security? The kind of actual threat Ronald Reagan was concerned with.
54 posted on 04/18/2006 1:45:39 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
From Mexperience.com...

Dia del Trabajo (Labor Day) - May 1st. A National Holiday. Businesses and Offices close, nationwide. The principal trade Unions march on Mexico City's main square (the Zocalo).

Unions marching on May 1st. May Day. International Worker's Day. A favorite amongst socialists and communists.

55 posted on 04/18/2006 2:04:07 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (http://folding.stanford.edu/ - - - -Folding@home. Free Republic team 36120)
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To: clawrence3
Much more productive is a sustained boycott like the one against Costa Mesa businesses

Oh, the one Nativo Lopez suggested?

Yeah, a real paragon of conservative virtue that Nativo Lopez is.

56 posted on 04/18/2006 2:09:24 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (http://folding.stanford.edu/ - - - -Folding@home. Free Republic team 36120)
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To: goldstategop
To avoid headaches, I usually don't read immigration threads. But I would never pass up a Thomas Sowell column. He usually does not say much that is not both pertinent and unassailable.
57 posted on 04/18/2006 2:15:34 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: clawrence3

Except an influx of criminals of all kinds (gangsters, thieves, robbers, killers, sex predators) IS a threat to national security. We have enough of our own, we don't need to import more.

Also, if you allow an entire bloc to sustain the fires of nationalism contrary to the identity of the nation in which they ACTUALLY reside, you WILL end up with a security threat, genius.


58 posted on 04/18/2006 2:28:38 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk

I'm pretty sure that North African and Middle Eastern guest workers in Europe didn't cause many problems when they first showed up. The first generation of them was probably pretty cool.


59 posted on 04/18/2006 2:39:31 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Clarity for a politician is like the Holy Cross to a vampire....


60 posted on 04/18/2006 2:42:57 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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