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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Rebutting Darwinists

Posted: April 15, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

I suggested here last week that the established authorities of every age act consistently. They become vigilantly militant against non-conforming dissidents who challenge their assumptions.

Thus when the dissident Galileo challenged the assumptions of the 17th century papacy, it shut him up. Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo.

I received a dozen letters on this, three in mild agreement, the rest in scorn and outrage. This calls for a response.

Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

I could have gone further. A survey last year by Rice University, financed by the Templeton Foundation, found that about two-thirds of scientists believed in God. A poll published by Gallup in 1997 asked: Do you believe that "man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation?" – essentially the I.D. position. Just under 40 percent of scientists said yes. So perhaps my 10 percent was far too low.

Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

Another letter complains that I.D. cannot be advanced as even a theory unless evidence of the nature of this "Divine" element is presented. But the evidence is in nature itself. The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity. If you see a footprint in the sand, that surely evidences human activity. The demand – "Yes, but whose footprint is it?"– does not disqualify the contention that somebody was there. "Nope," says the establishment, "not until you can tell us who it was will we let you raise this question in schools."

Another reader argues that Galileo stood for freedom of inquiry, whereas I.D. advocates want to suppress inquiry. This writer apparently did not notice what caused me to write the column. It was the rejection by a government agency for a $40,000 grant to a McGill University anti-I.D. lobby to suppress the presentation and discussion of I.D. theory in the Canadian schools. Suppressing discussion is an odd way of encouraging "freedom of inquiry." Anyway, the I.D. movement doesn't want to suppress evolution. It merely wants it presented as a theory, alongside the I.D. theory.

Why, asked another reader, did I not identify the gutsy woman who stated the reason for the rejection, bringing upon herself the scorn of scientific authority. That's fair. Her name is Janet Halliwell, a chemist and executive vice president of the Social Science and Humanities Research Council. She said that evolution is a theory, not a fact, and the McGill application offered no evidence to support it.

The McGill applicant was furious. Evolution, he said, needs no evidence. It's fact. Apparently Harvard University doesn't quite agree with him. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

The most sensible letter came from a research scientist. "I think that the current paradigm of evolution by natural selection acting on random variation will change," he writes. "I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

Then he urges me not to disclose his identity. Saying this publicly would threaten his getting tenure, he fears. Galileo would understand.


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To: Californiajones
Californiajones,

The only thing ever 'demonstrated' by the evos is they are wrapped up in 'EvoThink'.

And for this if nothing else, yes they make a compelling case.

Oh BTW, this red herring about academic qualification's. To these guys a Stanford University professor who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1998 is not 'qualified to speak against this 'theory'

(Dr. Laughlin is no creationist. He is a Stanford University professor who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1998.)

Wolf
341 posted on 04/15/2006 10:40:42 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf; Californiajones; Dimensio; js1138
Oh BTW, this red herring about academic qualification's. To these guys a Stanford University professor who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1998 is not 'qualified to speak against this 'theory'

Really? Which of "these guys" actually said that? I followed your link, and those posts don't say what you claim they say. Support your accusation, or retract it.

And while you're at it, why don't you apologize for that out of context quote, which grossly misrepresents what the quoted person was actually saying?

(Dr. Laughlin is no creationist.

Who claimed he was? Be specific.

He is a Stanford University professor who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1998.)

Yeah, so? Do you feel that a Nobel in physics necessarily qualifies someone to speak infallibly on a topic in another field of science entirely?

342 posted on 04/15/2006 10:53:44 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Dimensio

Like I said, it's about seeing the forest for the trees...


343 posted on 04/15/2006 10:55:17 PM PDT by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones
Like I said, it's about seeing the forest for the trees...

And, like I said, repeating this statement does nothing to demonstrate that your claims are true. In fact, it appears as though you are using this statement as an excuse to avoid supporting claims for which you have no evidence.
344 posted on 04/15/2006 11:04:07 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Californiajones; Dimensio
Like I said, it's about seeing the forest for the trees...

If that's the best "rebuttal" you can manage, I'm surprised you even try. Dimensio's points were on the mark, and parroting homilies about trees doesn't even begin to count as a cogent and adequate response.

345 posted on 04/15/2006 11:06:03 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon; Californiajones
Well of course no evo (for 95% of the time) actually ever 'says anything' becuase it’s all about inference and sarcasm, making demands then mocking and ridicule the replies to those demands. So it’s really very hard to pin one down, and when you do they simply bolt from the thread only to repeat the same patterns again.

Just like this little addition of 'speak infallibly' you just added. When I finally drag it out of you, I will find that no mortal speaks infallibly, and by then you and all the rest of your ping list will have swarmed in and murked up the subject waters even more.

Now to this

//Do you feel that a Nobel in physics necessarily qualifies someone to speak infallibly on a topic in another field of science entirely?//

That is a pretty absolute proposition you make there, and not you or me and certainly not ***** or ***** or ** or anyone else on your ping list are 'qualified' to make it. I will say they are not qualified by using the same whatever murky and morphing logic mechanism they use to make the conclusion with.

Wolf
346 posted on 04/15/2006 11:22:46 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Dimensio; Californiajones
Actually, you unknowingly have demonstrated right here on these threads a compelling manifestation of "EvoThink" as a product of the theory of evolution.

What did Darwin say? Darwin did not really have to say very much about anything.

What Darwin said does not really matter as much as what Darwin adherents ostensibly intend to accomplish with his works. Will Darwin’s acknowledged adherents to speak to this, hopefully the response will not be veiled in obfuscation & inference.

Wolf
347 posted on 04/15/2006 11:38:52 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Lucky Dog
That's all very complicated, but I just did a somewhat reasonable simulation.

- Fixed population of 500 individuals
- Genome size of 500 loci
- Every new gene has a relative fitness
- - 1% have 0.8
- - 10% have 0.9
- - 72% have 1.0
- - 10% have 1.1
- - 1% have 1.2
- Total relative fitness for an individual is the product of the fitness of the genes in its genome
- Pairs of individual are selected randomly for reproduction in proportion to relative fitness
- Genes at each locus are selected from one or the other parent with equal probability of 1/2
- Mutations are introduced at a rate of one in 10^6 which is at the conservative end of your range

I ran the simulation 5 times. It took an average of about 2000 generations to completely fix 10 new genes. That is 2% of the genome which seems to me a reasonable analog for the development of a new species.

I'm sure you'll disagree so I ran it three more times and waited for 25 new genes to fix. This took an average of about 6000 generations.

348 posted on 04/16/2006 12:21:01 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: RunningWolf; Californiajones
Well of course no evo (for 95% of the time) actually ever 'says anything' becuase it’s all about inference and sarcasm, making demands then mocking and ridicule the replies to those demands.

...he says, sarcastically, with mocking ridicule.

You've become a parody of yourself.

And do I really need to post more examples of you behaving far more childishly and obnoxiously than those whom you accuse? Or shall we just take your hypocrisy as a given from now on?

So it’s really very hard to pin one down, and when you do they simply bolt from the thread only to repeat the same patterns again.

Thanks for the false accusations. We'd be disappointed if you changed your tactics at this point.

Just like this little addition of 'speak infallibly' you just added. When I finally drag it out of you, I will find that no mortal speaks infallibly, and by then you and all the rest of your ping list will have swarmed in and murked up the subject waters even more.

If you ever decide to address the points I made, or defend your false accusations (or retract them), or do anything more coherent than just issue more bitter false broadsides against whole groups of people instead of dealing with the questions you've been asked and the times you've been caught behaving dishonorably, do please let me know. Until then, go right ahead digging your credibility deeper into that hole.

Now to this //Do you feel that a Nobel in physics necessarily qualifies someone to speak infallibly on a topic in another field of science entirely?// That is a pretty absolute proposition you make there,

It is not a "proposition" of any sort, "absolute" or otherwise. It's a question. Try to learn to tell the difference.

and not you or me and certainly not ***** or ***** or ** or anyone else on your ping list are 'qualified' to make it.

Make what? Can you remain coherent please?

I will say they are not qualified by using the same whatever murky and morphing logic mechanism they use to make the conclusion with.

What are you babbling about here?

Look, no matter how you try to dodge it, the point is simple:

A) You dishonestly claimed that someone had said that Laughlin was not qualified.

B) You lamely dodged the fact that I asked you to support your false claim, or retract it.

C) You dishonestly quoted someone out of context, in order to dishonestly make it seem that they were saying something they weren't.

D) You dodged the question I asked and did not answer it.

To be fair (although I don't know why I should bother, you haven't shown any willingness to extend the same courtesy), perhaps you were baffled and confused by my sardonic use of the phrase, "infallible authority", so let me rephrase it to give you an opportunity to dodge it all over again: Do you feel that a Nobel in physics necessarily qualifies someone to speak authoritatively on a topic in another field of science entirely, such as evolutionary biology? It's not a hard question. You can answer it with a simple "yes" or "no", which shouldn't tax your brain too much.

349 posted on 04/16/2006 12:21:20 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: RunningWolf; Dimensio; Californiajones; PatrickHenry
Actually, you unknowingly have demonstrated right here on these threads a compelling manifestation of "EvoThink" as a product of the theory of evolution.

How so? You sort of "forgot" to support your claim in any manner whatsoever, you just made an unsupported assertion (which, needless to say, is your standard method).

What did Darwin say?

Quite a lot, actually.

Darwin did not really have to say very much about anything.

And yet, he did anyway:

Books

-Zoology of the Voyage of H.M.S. 'Beagle.' Edited and superintended by Charles Darwin.
-Part I. Fossil Mammalia, by Richard Owen. With a Geological Introduction, by Charles Darwin. London, 1840.
-Part II. Mammalia, by George R. Waterhouse. With a notice of their habits and ranges, by Charles Darwin. London, 1839.

Darwin, Charles, The Structure and Distribution of Coral Reefs. Being the First Part of the Geology of the Voyage of the 'Beagle.' London, Smith, Elder & Co., 1842.

Darwin, Charles, Geological observations on Coral Reefs, Volcanic Islands, and on South America: being the Geology of the Voyage of the Beagle, under the Command of Capt. FitzRoy, during the Years 1832-36. London, Melbourne & Toronto, Ward Lock & Co., 1910. [first published London, Smith, Elder & Co., 1842-6].
[-Coral Reefs - Volcanic Islands - Geological Observations on South America-]

Darwin, Charles, Journal of Researches into the Natural History and Geology of the countries visited during the Voyage of H.M.S. 'Beagle' round the world, under the command of Captain Fitz-Roy, R.N. 2nd edition, corrected, with additions. London, 1845. 11th edn London, John Murray, 1913.

Darwin, Charles, A Monograph of the Fossil Lepadidae; or, Pedunculated Cirripedes of Great Britain. London, Palaeontographical Society, 1851.

Darwin, Charles, A Monograph of the Sub-class Cirripedia, with Figures of all the Species. The Lepadidae; or, Pedunculated Cirripedes. London, Ray Society, 1851.

Darwin, Charles, A Monograph on the Fossil Balanidæ and Verrucidæ of Great Britain. London, Palaeontographical Society, 1854.

Darwin, Charles, A Monograph of the Sub-class Cirripedia, with Figures of all the Species. The Balanidae (or Sessile Cirripedes); the Verrucidae, etc. London, Ray Society, 1854.

Darwin, Charles, On the origin of species by means of natural selection. London, John Murray, 1859. [1st edn].

Darwin, Charles, On the various contrivances by which British and foreign orchids are fertilised by insects. London, John Murray, 1862.

Darwin, Charles, The variation of animals and plants under domestication. 2 vols, 2nd edn New York, D. Appleton & Co. 1883. [first published London, John Murray, 1868].

Darwin, Charles, The descent of man and selection in relation to sex. 2nd edn revised and augmented, London, John Murray, 1882. [first published London, John Murray, 1871].

Darwin, Charles, The origin of species by means of natural selection. 6th edn London, John Murray, 1872.

Darwin, Charles, The expression of the emotions in man and animals. London, John Murray, 1872.

Darwin, Charles, The movements and habits of climbing plants. 2nd edn London, John Murray, 1875.

Darwin, Charles, Insectivorous plants. New York, D. Appleton & Co., 1875. [first published London, John Murray, 1875].

Darwin, Charles, The effects of cross and self-fertilisation in the vegetable kingdom. New York, D. Appleton & Co., 1892. [first published London, John Murray, 1876].

Darwin, Charles, The different forms of flowers on plants of the same species. New York, D. Appleton & Co., 1896. [first published London, John Murray, 1877].

Darwin, Charles, The power of movement in plants. London, John Murray, 1880.

Darwin, Charles, The formation of vegetable mould, through the action of worms. Eighth thousand (corrected) London, John Murray, 1883. [first published London, John Murray, 1881].

Darwin, Charles, The foundations of the Origin of Species: Two essays written in 1842 and 1844 by Charles Darwin, Francis Darwin ed., Cambridge, 1909.

 

Contributions to books

 

Darwin, Charles, 'Geology', in John F.W. Herschel ed., A Manual of scientific enquiry; prepared for the use of Her Majesty's Navy: and adapted for travellers in general. London, 1849.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Use of the Microscope on Board Ship', in Richard Owen, 'Zoology' in John F.W. Herschel ed., A Manual of scientific enquiry; prepared for the use of Her Majesty's Navy: and adapted for travellers in general. London, 1849. pp. 389-395.

Darwin, Charles, 'Recollections by Charles Darwin', in Leonard Jenyns, Memoir of the Rev. John Stevens Henslow. London, 1862, pp. 51-55.

Darwin, Charles, 'Prefatory notice', to A. Kerner, Flowers and their unbidden guests. Translated, revised and edited by W. Ogle. London, 1878.

Darwin, Charles, Preface and 'a preliminary notice' to Ernst Krause, Erasmus Darwin. Translated from the German by W.S. Dallas. London, John Murray, 1879.

Darwin, Charles, 'Prefatory notice' to Aug Weismann, Studies in the Theory of Descent. Translated and edited by Raphael Meldola. London, 1880.

Darwin, Charles, 'A letter (1876) on the 'Drift' near Southampton', in James Geikie, Prehistoric Europe: a geological sketch. London, 1881.

Darwin, Charles, 'A posthumous essay on instinct' in George John Romanes, Mental evolution in animals: with a posthumous essay on instinct by Charles Darwin. London, Kegan Paul, Trench & Co., 1883.

Darwin, Charles, 'Prefatory notice', to Hermann Müller, The Fertilisation of Flowers. Translated and edited by D'Arcy W. Thompson. London, 1883.

Darwin, Charles, 'Über die Wege der Hummelmännchen', trans. by Ernst Krause in his, Gesammelte kleinere Schriften von Charles Darwin. Leipzig, 1886.

 

Correspondence

[note: letters in periodicals are not listed separately here.]

Darwin, Francis ed., The life and letters of Charles Darwin. 2 vols. New York, D. Appleton & Co., 1905. [first published London, John Murray, 1887].

Darwin, Francis & A.C. Seward eds., More letters of Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London, John Murray, 1903.

Darwin, Charles, Letters to Professor Henslow, read by him at the meeting of the Cambridge Philosophical Society, held Nov 16, 1835. [Cambridge, Privately printed, 1835].

Darwin, Charles, 'A letter (1876) on the 'Drift' near Southampton', in James Geikie, Prehistoric Europe: a geological sketch. London, 1881.

 

Contributions to periodicals

FitzRoy, Robert, and Darwin, Charles, 'A Letter, Containing Remarks on the moral State of Tahiti, New Zealand, &c.', South African Christian Recorder, 2, 1836, pp. 221-238.

Darwin, Charles, 'Notes upon the Rhea Americana', Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London, (5) 1837, pp. 35-36.

Darwin, Charles, 'Remarks upon the habits of the genera Geospiza, Camarhynchus, Cactornis, and Certhidea of Gould', Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London, (5) 10 May 1837, p. 49.

Darwin, Charles, 'Observations of proofs of recent elevation on the coast of Chili, made during the survey of His Majesty's ship Beagle, commanded by Capt. Fitzroy', Proceedings of the Geological Society of London, 2(48) 1837, pp. 446-449.

Darwin, Charles, 'A sketch of the Deposits containing extinct Mammalia in the neighbourhood of the Plata', Proceedings of the Geological Society of London, 2(51) 1837, pp. 542-544.

Darwin, Charles, 'On certain areas of elevation and subsidence in the Pacific and Indian oceans, as deduced from the study of Coral Formations', Proceedings of the Geological Society of London, 2(51) 1837, pp. 552-554.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Formation of Mould', Proceedings of the Geological Society of London, 2(52) 1838, pp. 574-576.

Darwin, Charles, 'Geological Notes made during a survey of the East and West Coasts of South America in the years 1832, 1833, 1834, and 1835; with an account of a transverse section of the Cordilleras of the Andes between Valparaiso and Mendoza' Proceedings of the Geological Society of London, 2, 1838, pp. 210-212.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the connexion of certain volcanic phænomena, and on the formation of mountain-chains and volcanos, as the effects of continental elevations', Proceedings of the Geological Society of London, 2(56) 1838, pp. 654-660.

Darwin, Charles, 'Note on a Rock seen on an Iceberg in 61° South Latitude', The Journal of the Royal Geographical Society of London, 9, 1839, pp. 528-529.

Darwin, Charles, 'Observations on the Parallel Roads of Glen Roy, and of other parts of Lochaber in Scotland, with an attempt to prove that they are of marine origin', Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, 1839, pp. 39-81.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Connexion of certain Volcanic Phenomena in South America; and on the Formation of Mountain Chains and Volcanos, as the Effect of the same Power by which Continents are elevated.', Transactions of the Geological Society of London,(2)53, 1840, pp. 601-631.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the formation of mould', Transactions of the Geological Society of London, 5(3), 1840, pp. 505-509.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the distribution of the erratic boulders and on the contemporaneous unstratified deposits of South America', Transactions of the Geological Society of London, (2)6(2) 1841, pp. 415-431.

Darwin, Charles, 'On a Remarkable Bar of Sandstone off Pernambuco, on the Coast of Brazil', London, Edinburgh, and Dublin Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science, 19, 1841, pp. 257-60.

Darwin, Charles, 'Humble-Bees', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 34, 21 Aug 1841, p. 550.

Darwin, Charles, 'Notes on the Effects Produced by the Ancient Glaciers of Caernarvonshire, and on the Boulders Transported by Floating Ice', London, Edinburgh, and Dublin Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science 21, 1842, pp. 180-88.

Darwin, Charles, 'Double flowers—their origin', Gardeners' Chronicle, 9 Sept 1843, p. 628.

Darwin, Charles, et al, 'Report of a committee appointed "to consider of the rules by which the nomenclature of zoology may be established on a uniform and permanent basis"', Report of the British Association for the Advancement of Science for 1842, 1843, pp. 105-121.

Darwin, Charles, 'Remarks on the preceding paper, in a Letter from Charles Darwin, Esq., to Mr. Maclaren', Edinburgh New Philosophical Journal xxxiv. 1843, pp. 47-50. [The "preceding" paper is: 'On Coral Islands and Reefs as described by Mr. Darwin. By Charles Maclaren'].

Darwin, Charles, 'On the origin of mould', Gardeners' Chronicle, 6 Apr 1844, p. 218.

Darwin, Charles, 'Manures, and Steeping Seeds', Gardeners' Chronicle, 8 June 1844, p. 380.

Darwin, Charles, 'Variegated Leaves', Gardeners' Chronicle, 14 Sept 1844, p. 621.

Darwin, Charles, 'What is the Action of Common Salt on Carbonate of Lime?', Gardeners' Chronicle, 14 Sept 1844, pp. 628-29.

Darwin, Charles, 'Mr. Darwin's Memorandum' in Henslow, 'Rust in wheat', Gardeners' Chronicle, 28 Sept 1844, p. 659.

Darwin, Charles, 'Observations on the Structure and Propagation of the genus Sagitta', Annals and Magazine of Natural History, xiii. 1844, pp. 1-6.

Darwin, Charles, 'Brief descriptions of several Terrestrial Planariae, and of some remarkable Marine Species, with an Account of their Habits', Annals and Magazine of Natural History, xiv. 1844, pp. 241-251.

Darwin, Charles, 'An Account of the Fine Dust which Often Falls on Vessels in the Atlantic Ocean', Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London, pt. 1, 2, 1846, pp. 26-30.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Geology of the Falkland Islands', Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London, pt. 1, 2, 1846, pp. 267-74.

Darwin, Charles, 'Origin of Saliferous Deposits: Salt-Lakes of Patagonia and La Plata', Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London, pt. 2, 2, 1846, pp. 127-28.

Darwin, Charles, [review of] 'Waterhouse's 'Natural History of the Mammalia', Annals and Magazine of Natural History, 1847, xix. pp. 53-6.

Darwin, Charles, 'Salt', Gardeners' Chronicle, 6 Mar 1847, pp. 157-58.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Transportal of Erratic Boulders from a Lower to a Higher Level', Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London, 4, 1848, pp. 315-23.

Darwin, Charles, 'On British Fossil Lepadidæ', The Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London, 6, 1850, pp. 439-440.

Darwin, Charles, 'Extracts from Letters to the General Secretary, on the Analogy of the Structure of Some Volcanic Rocks with That of Glaciers', Proceedings of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, 2, 1851, pp. 17-18.

Darwin, Charles, 'Bucket Ropes for Wells', Gardeners' Chronicle, 10 Jan 1852, p. 22.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the power of Icebergs to make rectilinear, uniformly-directed Grooves across a Submarine Undulatory Surface', London, Edinburgh, and Dublin Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science, x, 1855, pp. 96-98.

Darwin, Charles, 'Does Sea-Water Kill Seeds?', Gardeners' Chronicle, 14 Apr 1855, p. 242.

Darwin, Charles, 'Does Sea-Water Kill Seeds?', Gardeners' Chronicle, 26 May 1855, pp. 356-57.

Darwin, Charles, 'Nectar-Secreting Organs of Plants', Gardeners' Chronicle, 21 July 1855, p. 487.

Darwin, Charles, 'Shell Rain in the Isle of Wight', Gardeners' Chronicle, 3 Nov 1855, pp. 726-27.

Darwin, Charles, 'Vitality of Seeds'. Gardeners' Chronicle, 17 Nov 1855, p. 758.

Darwin, Charles, 'Effect of Salt-Water on the Germination of Seeds', Gardeners' Chronicle, 1 Dec 1855, p. 789.

Darwin, Charles, 'Longevity of Seeds', Gardeners' Chronicle, 29 Dec 1855, p. 854.

Darwin, Charles, 'Seedling Fruit Trees', Gardeners' Chronicle, 29 Dec 1855 p. 854.

Darwin, Charles, 'Effect of Salt-Water on the Germination of Seeds', Gardeners' Chronicle, 24 Nov 1855, p. 773.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cross Breeding', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 49, 6 Dec 1856, p. 806.

Darwin, Charles, 'Hybrid Dianths', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 10, 7 Mar 1857, p. 155.

Darwin, Charles, 'Mouse-coloured Breed of Ponies', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 24, 13 June 1857 p. 427.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Subject of Deep Wells', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 30, 25 July 1857, p. 518.

Darwin, Charles, 'Bees and Fertilisation of Kidney Beans'. Gardeners' Chronicle, 24 Oct 1857, p. 725.

Darwin, Charles, 'Productiveness of Foreign Seed', Gardeners'Chronicle, no. 46, 14 Nov 1857, p. 779.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Action of Sea-Water on the Germination of Seeds', Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society, Botany, l, 1857, pp. 130-40.

Darwin, Charles, & Alfred Russel Wallace, 'On the Tendency of Species to form Varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection', Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society, Zoology, 20 Aug. 1858, 3, pp. 45-62.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Agency of Bees in the Fertilisation of Papilionaceous Flowers, and on the Crossing of Kidney Beans', Annals and Magazine of Natural History, 3rd series ii. 1858, pp. 459-465.

Darwin, Charles, 'Public Natural History Collections', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 48, 27 Nov 1858 p. 861.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cross-bred Plants', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 3, 21 Jan 1860 p. 49.

Darwin, Charles, 'Do the Tineina or other Small Moths Suck Flowers, and if so what Flowers?', Entomologist's Weekly Intelligencer 8, 1860, p. 103.

Darwin, Charles, 'Natural Selection', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 16, 21 Apr 1860, pp. 362-63.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of British Orchids by Insect Agency', Gardeners'Chronicle, no. 23, 9 June 1860, p. 528.

Darwin, Charles, 'Note on the achenia of Pumilio Argyrolepis', Gardeners' Chronicle, 5 Jan 1861, p. 4.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of British Orchids by Insect Agency', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 6, 9 Feb 1861, p. 122.

Darwin, Charles, 'Phenomena in the Cross-breeding of Plants', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 14 May 1861, 1, pp. 112.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cross-breeding in Plants: Fertilisation of Leschenaultia formosa', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 28 May 1861, 1, p. 151.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of Vincas', Gardeners' Chronicle, 15 June 1861, pp. 552, 831, 832.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cause of the Variation of Flowers', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 18 June 1861, 1, p. 211.

Darwin, Charles, 'Effects of different kinds of pollen', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 8 Jul 1861, pp. 280-1.

Darwin, Charles, 'Parents of some gladioli', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 9 Sep 1861, p. 453.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilization of Orchids', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 37, 14 Sept 1861, p. 831.

Darwin, Charles, 'Is the female bombus fertilised in the air?', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 22 Oct 1861, p. 76.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Two Forms, or Dimorphic Condition, in the Species of Primula, and on their remarkable Sexual Relations', Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society, Botany, 6, 1862, pp. 77-96.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Three remarkable Sexual Forms of Catasetum tridentatum, an Orchid in the Possession of the Linnean Society', Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society, Botany, 6, 1862, pp. 151-57.

Darwin, Charles, 'Do bees vary in different parts of Great Britain', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 9 June 1862, p. 207.

Darwin, Charles, 'Bees in Jamaica increase the size and substance of their cells.', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 14 Jul 1862, p. 305.

Darwin, Charles, 'Bee-cells in Jamaica not larger than in England', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 21 Jul 1862, p. 323.

Darwin, Charles, 'Peas', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 45, 8 Nov 1862 p. 1052.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cross-breeds of Strawberries', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 25 Nov 1862, 3, p. 672.

Darwin, Charles, 'Variations Effected by Cultivation', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 2 Dec 1862, 3, p. 696.

Darwin, Charles, 'Penguin ducks', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 26 Dec 1862, p. 797.

Darwin, Charles, 'Influence of pollen on the appeaeance of seed', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 26 Jan 1863, p. 70.

Darwin, Charles, 'Vindication of Gärtner, effect of crossing-peas', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 2 Feb 1863, p. 93.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of Orchids', Journal of Horticulture and Cottage Gardener, 31 Mar 1863, 4, p. 237.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Doctrine of Heterogeny and Modification of Species', Athenaeum. Journal of Literature, Science, and the Fine Arts, no. 1852, 25 Apr 1863, pp. 554-55.

Darwin, Charles, 'Origin of Species', Athenaeum. Journal of Literature, Science, and the Fine Arts, no. 1854, 9 May 1863, p. 617.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Thickness of the Pampean Formation, Near Buenos Ayres', Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London, 19, 1863, pp. 68-71.

M.J.B, [Yellow Rain], Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 29, 18 July 1863, p. 675 [With a quotation by Darwin].

Darwin, Charles, 'Appearance of a Plant in a Singular Place', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 33, 15 Aug 1863, p. 773.

Darwin, Charles, 'Vermin and Traps', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 35, 29 Aug 1863, pp. 821-22.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the so-called "Auditory-sac" of Cirripedes', Natural History Review, 1863, pp. 115-116.

Darwin, Charles, 'A review of Mr. Bates' paper on 'Mimetic Butterflies.'', Natural History Review, 1863, pp. 219-224.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Existence of Two Forms, and on Their Reciprocal Sexual Relation, in Several Species of the Genus Linum', Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society (Botany) 7, 1864, pp. 69-83.

Darwin, Charles, 'Ancient Gardening', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 41, 8 Oct 1864, p. 965.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Sexual Relations of the Three Forms of Lythrum salicaria', Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnean Society, Botany, 8, 1865, pp. 169-96.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Movement and Habits of Climbing Plants', Journal of the Linnaean Society of London (Botany), 9, 1865, pp. 1-118. [Digitization forthcoming].

Darwin, Charles, 'Partial Change of Sex in Unisexual Flowers', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 6, 10 Feb 1866, p. 127.

Darwin, Charles, 'Oxalis Bowei', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 32, 11 Aug 1866 p. 756.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cross-fertilising Papilionaceous Flowers', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 32, 11 Aug 1866, p. 756.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of Cypripediums', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 14, 6 Apr 1867, p. 350.

Darwin, Charles, 'Note on the Common Broom', in George Henslow, 'Note on the Structure of Indigofera, as Apparently Offering Facilities for the Intercrossing of Distinct Flowers,' Journal of the Linnean Society, Botany, 9, 1867, p. 358.

Darwin, Charles, 'Hedgehogs', Hardwicke's Science-Gossip: An Illustrated Medium of Interchange and Gossip for Students and Lovers of Nature, 1 Dec. 1867. p. 280.

Darwin, Charles, '[Inquiry about Proportional Number of Males and Females Born to Domestic Animals]', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 7, 15 Feb 1868, p. 160.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Character and Hybrid-like Nature of the Offspring from the Illegitimate Unions of Dimorphic and Trimorphic Plants', Journal of the Linnean Society, Botany, 10, 1868, pp. 393-437.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Specific Difference between Primula veris, Brit. F. (var. officinalis of Linn.), P. vulgaris, Brit. Fl. (var. acaulis, Linn.), and P. elatior, Jacq.; and on the Hybrid Nature of the common Oxlip. With Supplementary Remarks on naturally-produced Hybrids in the genus Verbascum', Journal of the Linnean Society, Botany, 10, 1868, pp. 437-454.

Darwin, Charles, 'Queries about Expression for Anthropological Inquiry', Annual Report of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution . . . for the Year 1867. Senate Mis. doc. no. 86, 1868, p. 324.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Formation of Mould by Worms', Gardeners' Chronicle, no. 20, 15 May 1869 p. 530.

Darwin, Charles, 'Pangenesis: Mr. Darwin's Reply to Professor Delpino', Scientific Opinion: A Weekly Record of Scientific Progress at Home & Abroad, 2, 1869, p. 426.

Darwin, Charles, 'Origin of Species', Athenaeum. Journal of Literature, Science, and the Fine Arts, no. 2174, 26 June 1869, p. 861.

Darwin, Charles, 'Origin of Species', Athenaeum. Journal of Literature, Science, and the Fine Arts, no. 2177, 17 July 1869, p. 82.

Darwin, Charles, 'Notes on the Fertilization of Orchids', Annals and Magazine of Natural History, 4th series, iv. 1869, pp. 141-159.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Fertilisation of Winter-flowering Plants', Nature, 18 Nov 1869, vol. i. p. 85.

Darwin, Charles, 'Note on the Habits of the Pampas Woodpecker', Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London, 1870, pp. 705-706.

Darwin, Charles, 'Pangenesis', Nature, 27 Apr 1871, vol. iii. p. 502-3.

Darwin, Charles, 'A new view of Darwinism', Nature, 6 July 1871, vol. iv. p. 180.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of Leschenaultia', Gardeners' Chronicle, 9 Sept 1871, p. 1166.

Darwin, Charles, 'A Letter from Mr. Darwin', Index, vol. 2, 23 Dec 1871, p. 404.

Darwin, Charles, 'Bree on Darwinism', Nature, 8 Aug 1872, vol. vi. p. 279.

Darwin, Charles, 'Inherited Instinct', Nature, 13 Feb 1873, vol. vii. p. 281.

Darwin, Charles, 'Perception in the Lower Animals', Nature, 13 Mar 1873, vol. vii. p. 360.

Darwin, Charles, 'Origin of certain instincts', Nature, 3 Apr 1873, vol. vii. p. 417.

Darwin, Charles, 'Habits of Ants', Nature, 24 July 1873, vol. viii. p. 244.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Males and Complemental Males of Certain Cirripedes, and on Rudimentary Structures', Nature, 25 Sept 1873, vol. viii. pp. 431-2.

Darwin, Charles, 'Recent researches on Termites and Honey-bees', Nature, 19 Feb 1874, vol. ix. p. 308.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertilisation of the Fumariaceae', Nature, 16 Apr 1874, vol. ix. p. 460.

Darwin, Charles, 'Flowers of the Primrose destroyed by Birds', Nature, 23 Apr 1874, vol. ix. p. 482.

Darwin, Charles, 'Flowers of the Primrose destroyed by Birds', Nature, 14 May 1874, vol. x. pp. 24-5.

Darwin, Charles, '[A Communication on Irritability of Pinguicula]', Gardeners' Chronicle, vol. 2, 4 July 1874, p. 15.

Darwin, Charles, 'Cherry Blossoms', Nature, 11 May 1876, vol. xiv. p. 28.

Darwin, Charles, 'Sexual Selection in relation to Monkeys', Nature, 2 Nov 1876, vol. xv. p. 18. Reprinted as a supplement to the Descent of Man, 1871.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fritz Müller on Flowers and Insects', Nature, Nov 29, 1876, vol. xvii. p. 78.

Darwin, Charles, 'Holly Berries', Gardeners' Chronicle, vol. 7, 6 Jan 1877, p. 19.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Scarcity of Holly Berries and Bees', Gardeners' Chronicle, 20 Jan 1877, p. 83.

Darwin, Charles, 'Note on Fertilisation of Plants', Gardeners' Chronicle, 24 Feb 1877, p. 246.

Darwin, Charles, 'Testimonial to Mr. Darwin-Evolution in the Netherlands-with a letter by Darwin', Nature, 8 Mar 1877, vol. 15, pp. 410-12.

Darwin, Charles, 'A biographical sketch of an infant', Mind, July 1877, pp. 285-294.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Contractile Filaments of the Teasel', Nature, 23 Aug 1877, vol. 16. p. 339.

Darwin, Charles, 'Growth under Difficulties, Gardeners' Chronicle, vol. 8, 29 Dec 1877, p. 805.

Darwin, Charles, 'Transplantation of Shells', Nature, 30 May 1878, pp. 120-1.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fritz Müller on a Frog having Eggs on its back-on the abortion of the hairs on the legs of certain Caddis-Flies, etc.', Nature, 20 Mar 1879, vol. xix. pp. 462-3.

Darwin, Charles, 'Rats and Water-Casks', Nature, 27 Mar vollume xix. p. 481.

Darwin, Charles, 'Fertility of Hybrids from the common and Chinese Goose', Nature, 1 Jan vol. xxi. p. 207.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Sexual Colours of certain Butterflies', Nature, 8 Jan 1880, vol xxi. p. 237.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Omori Shell Mounds', Nature, 15 Apr 1880, vol. xxi p. 561.

Darwin, Charles, 'Sir Wyville Thomson and Natural Selection', Nature, 11 Nov 1880, vol. xxiii. p. 32.

Darwin, Charles, 'Black Sheep', Nature, 30 Dec 1880 vol. xxiii. p. 193.

Darwin, Charles, 'Movements of Plants', Nature, 3 Mar 1881 vol. xxiii. p. 409.

Darwin, Charles, 'Mr. Darwin on Vivisection', British Medical Journal, 1, 1881, p. 660.

Darwin, Charles, 'Mr. Darwin on Vivisection', Times, 22 Apr 1881.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Movements of Leaves', Nature, 28 Apr 1881, vol. xxiii pp. 603-4.

Darwin, Charles, 'Inheritance', Nature, 21 July 1881 vol. xxiv. p. 257.

Darwin, Charles, 'Leaves injured at Night by Free Radiation', Nature, 15 Sept 1881, vol. xxiv. p. 459.

Darwin, Charles, 'A Letter to Mrs. Emily Talbot on the Mental and Bodily Development of Infants', Nature, 13 Oct 1881, vol. xxiv p. 565.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Parasitic Habits of Molothrus', Nature, 17 Nov 1881, vol. xxv. pp. 51-2.

Darwin, Charles, 'Preliminary notice' in W. van Dyck, 'On the Modification of a Race of Syrian Street-Dogs by Means of Sexual Selection: With a Preliminary Notice by Charles Darwin', Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London, no. 25, 1882, pp. 367-70.

Darwin, Charles, 'On the Dispersal of Freshwater Bivalves', Nature, 6 Apr 1882, vol. xxv. pp. 529-530.

Darwin, Charles, 'The Action of Carbonate of Ammonia on the Roots of Certain Plants', Journal of the Linnean Society (Botany) 19, 1882, pp. 239-61.

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What Darwin said does not really matter as much as what Darwin adherents ostensibly intend to accomplish with his works.

Wrong again.

Will Darwin’s acknowledged adherents to speak to this, hopefully the response will not be veiled in obfuscation & inference.

Could we have that again in the form of a grammatically correct sentence, or at least one which isn't entirely incoherent?

350 posted on 04/16/2006 12:26:59 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Well, I guess Darwin did have quite a lot to say, placemarker...


351 posted on 04/16/2006 1:28:56 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Ichneumon; Dimensio
Darling, it's because you can't see God's hand in the forests or the trees that you can't see why I am completely bored by the EvoPoints and Evo goose-stepping on these threads. You guys believe Darwin uncovered the origins of the species with his theory and IDers disagree.

Again, I am interested in what Darwin wrought upon civilization with his theory, because I believe that what a man believes he will enact. The aftereffects of EvoThink compel me, not Darwin's 19th Century science.

BTW, that's why Islam and modern Iran are so frightening. If we know what they believe, we can figure out what they will DO.
352 posted on 04/16/2006 3:36:37 AM PDT by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones

"Where are the Biblical consequences against me for believing in Creationism?"

There are always consequences for not accepting reality.


353 posted on 04/16/2006 4:00:16 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: fabian
"The incredible dna code that is more complex than any man made computer code is scientific you would have to admit."

What is complexity?

"It had to be designed by something or someone."

Natural selection.

"That's only scientifically logical."

Or not.
354 posted on 04/16/2006 4:01:58 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Ichneumon
Lies, all lies.
</flamingly retarded creationist troll mode>
355 posted on 04/16/2006 4:02:25 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Californiajones
Darling, it's because you can't see God's hand in the forests or the trees that you can't see why I am completely bored by the EvoPoints and Evo goose-stepping on these threads.

How is anyone here "goose-stepping"? Please be specific. How does this justify your complete refusal to support your thus-far unsubstantiated claims with any evidence? Why should your claims be taken seriously when you absolutely refuse to make an effort to show that they are true, going so far as to justify not supporting your claims after making them?

You guys believe Darwin uncovered the origins of the species with his theory and IDers disagree.

How do IDers disagree when the Intelligent Design claim states that common descent did in fact bring about all existing diverse life on Earth?

Again, I am interested in what Darwin wrought upon civilization with his theory, because I believe that what a man believes he will enact. The aftereffects of EvoThink compel me, not Darwin's 19th Century science.

You have once again completely failed to substantiate your claims that Darwin's theory "wrought" undesirable effects upon civilization. You have, however, expended a great deal of effort in making excuses for not supporting your claim. Why is this?
356 posted on 04/16/2006 4:07:16 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Californiajones
" Please, don't tell me Darwin didn't intend for us to think we are dumb animals,"

He didn't, he thought we were highly intelligent animals with an incredible ability to learn about the world around us that no other animal possesses.

" I also don't like EvoThink because I am not a monkey or an ape and I am not descended from one."

You share an ancestor with an ape whether you *like* it or not. Reality won't bend for your desires.

"Don't know what else to say, sorry, I'm really bored by anything BUT the cultural effects of EvoThink."

The alleged affects, which are another creation of your mind, not reality.

Argument from the consequences is a logical fallacy.
357 posted on 04/16/2006 4:09:21 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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Condemned Again Placemarker
358 posted on 04/16/2006 4:27:22 AM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: edsheppa
Thank you for the effort. I am sorry I had t leave the discussion last evening before your post. Additionallly, I haven't time today adequately ponder your work.

Nonetheless, I shall be able to do so in the very near future, barring unexpected engagements. Before I leave today, however, let me ask a few questions.

What factor did you use in your simulation for natual selection pressure?

Did you allow for any change in the natrual selection pressure?

What factor did you use for the negative impact of a combination of a detrimental mutation with a beneficial mutation in a previous mutation?

Sorry, I have more questions, but time does not permit...

Thanks, again, for the effort.
359 posted on 04/16/2006 4:31:22 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Californiajones

Me using the word EvoThink is not personal attack

No, it's a broad based attack on a group of people. It's also sophomoric.

360 posted on 04/16/2006 4:43:21 AM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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