Posted on 04/12/2006 2:34:47 PM PDT by neverdem
Suddenly, thankfully, it does not seem that Hillary Clinton is on an automatic trajectory to become the next Democratic nominee for president. Two recent polls suggest problems that may loom in her path. From New York state comes the latest John Zogby poll, forecasting a race for the Senate instead of a cakewalk. For the first time since GOP wannabe Jeanine Pirro dropped out of the race, polls indicate that New Yorkers hare having second thoughts about re-electing Hillary.
While the former first lady was leading her main opponent, John Spencer, 61-31 in Zogbys Jan. 13 poll, her lead is down to 54-33 in his survey of March 27. Zogby reflects increases in Hillarys negatives across the board among Democrats, Republicans and independents. He also shows a sharp drop in moderate and conservative support for Hillary, an indication that the shrill tone of her national attacks on the Bush administration and all things Republican is destroying the carefully cultivated bipartisan image she has sold to New York.
The drop in New York is especially interesting since Spencer has yet to wage any campaign. He has not advertised or been heavily covered by the left-leaning Empire State press corps. Hillary is dropping on her own.
For his part, Spencer is likely to get enough votes at the Republican state convention to stop his primary opponent, K.T. McFarland, from getting on the ballot. While she could petition her way on, that is a very hard task in New York, where one must get signatures in more than half of the counties. In some of these places, Republicans are hard to find.
And on the national level, a revealing insight comes from the Marist Poll of Feb. 22. The survey reported that Hillary finished a far-ahead first among her rivals for the Democratic nomination, getting 40 percent of the Democratic primary vote to former vice-presidential nominee John Edwardss 16 percent and Sen. John Kerrys 15 percent.
But, with Al Gore figured into the race, Hillarys vote share dropped to 33 percent, with the former vice president at 17 percent, Edwards at 16 percent and Kerry at 11 percent. A 33-17 lead over Gore sounds a lot more shaky than 40-16 over Edwards. (And remember, Gore has not even hinted at a candidacy. Once he does if he does his numbers are likely to increase rapidly.)
Gore turns Hillarys Left flank and would be able to use his past and present opposition to the war and hefty environmental record to attract liberals repelled by Hillarys off-again, on-again flirtation with centrism.
Democratic animosity toward the Bush administration, approaching an all time high, means that the 2008 primaries are likely to be a kind of audition to see which candidate would do the best against the Republicans. Hillary is suspect because of the way she polarizes the voters. She doesnt polarize Democrats they all love her but even the most enthusiastic of her base voters grasps that she is a red flag to independents and Republicans.
As for Gore, he has already proved that he can get more votes than the Republican. He just needs to get them in the right states this time. Gores popular-vote success is likely to play well when Democrats contemplate the Kerry debacle, just as Nixons narrow defeat in 1960 looked pretty good after the pasting Johnson gave Goldwater in 1964, good enough to give Nixon another chance.
The electability issue is the soft-core version of Hillary negatives, which could undermine her in 2008.
Meanwhile, Spencer can also run on a soft-core negative. Rather than have to attack Hillary frontally, he can point to her looming presidential candidacy, there for all to see with each days national speech, and note that he is the only candidate running for senator from New York who wants to be senator from New York.
When Hillary ran in 2000, few believed she would run for president. It was not an issue. Her gullible supporters believed that she was moving to New York so that she could become a senator, but it did not enter their minds that she only wanted to be a senator in order to become a president. Now that the second shoe is dropping, New York voters are obviously reassessing their view of Hillarys commitment to their state. And to be asked to vote for her reelection when she obviously will move heaven and earth not to have to serve out her term, may be too much for New Yorkers to put up with.
If Spencer can get the funding his standing in the polls warrants, he could be part of a one-two punch (with Al Gore providing the knockout) to stop a second Clinton presidency.
Is Morris taking PCP?
Hillary is grossly overrated. She is just like much of the Hollywood crowd.
Maybe, but he desperately wants his premise to be correct that only Condi Rice can defeat Hillary.
Some land mines could slow her down.
I would love to see Kerry, Hillary, and Gore all going at it. They would do us a favor by all trying to get in the white house...since all of them sound silly as it is.
Kerry...come-on, no one is going to support you with your flip-flopping ways!?
Gore...your spitting on the audience,...calm down.
Hillary...people dislike you ten times more than bill, so I don't think you have a chance unless we totally screw-up in our pick.
I hate to see Dick Morris say something like this, given that he's always WRONG.
Some land mines could slow her down.
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I'd settle for some indictments.
"Some land mines could slow her down."
With those armor-plated cankles of hers? LOL! Claymore mines would be more effective. *Smirk*
Dick Morris lives in his own little world. If, for some reason he ever sucked my toes, I'd count them before, during and after. Blech! What a creepy little man.
Uh...Dick, she dropped seven points and her opponent gained TWO. You can't make a silk purse out of that sow's ear....she's still at 54 and it's only April. She wins reelection in a walk, I predict, because of her celebrity.
Wow. You have some strange, kinky fantasies.
But we want Hitlery to become the Democratic nominee. We just don't want her to win the November election.
How long have you enjoyed getting your toes sucked? :)
Hillary goes up and down more in Morris' mind that a nymphomaniac does.
Wasn't it the Democratic primary that gave us Willy Horton?
Is Morris taking PCP?
Even for Morris, this one is just chockfull of knuckeheadedness. First of all, Hillary will have absolutely no trouble beating that guy shes running against for Senate. Even he doesnt remember his own name.
Secondly, Gore is not running. He likes being a little vague about it, because he enjoys the stroking the moonbats give his presidential fantasy after every moronic anti-American speech that falls from his mouth like vomit.
Thirdly, there are Japanese guys still fighting World War II on remote Pacific Islands, who managed to figure out in 2000 that Hillary was running for Senate with an eye on a future Presidential run.
Hillary has all the money. Hillary has the name recognition. Hillary has the people in place. Hell, the female half of the Democratic Party will vote for 100% for the sole reason that she allegedly lacks a penis!
There is no Democrat that can even dream of stopping her from getting the nomination if she wants it. She's the party gorilla.
A lot of conservatives swear by Dick Morris but I don't trust him.
Hillary...people dislike you ten times more than bill
That is a fact, while I am no fan of slick, he was fun to watch and often made me chuckle, Hillary is scary.
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