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GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS: THE SEEDS OF OUR DEMISE
Sierra Times ^ | 4/12/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 04/12/2006 7:10:01 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

Politicians really are either the dumbest individuals around, providing a perfect example of the saying ‘cream of the crap,’ or they are the most deceitful bunch of good-for-nothings to walk our streets. Perhaps they are both.

For over a decade, the American people have screamed for our elected officials to do something to fix our illegal immigration problems, and have consistently denounced any idea about another amnesty for these law-breakers. So what does the U.S. Senate do? Discuss immigration, but they focused on amnesty plans (simply labeled ‘guest-worker programs’).

At least on paper the House appears headed in the right direction and is taking on illegal immigration first, leaving amnesty talk for a later date.

If the government would simply enforce the immigration laws on the books today, our illegal immigrant problem would begin to be controllable. I’m concerned that once all is said and done, passing more laws that go un-enforced will simply allow our problems to continue growing, and that whatever law is passed there will be no enforcement (with the exception of whatever guest-worker/amnesty part is attached and continues to allow illegals to flood our towns). This immigration debate could all be just another cruel hoax the politicians are pulling on the citizens of this country.

The Guest-Worker/Temporary Worker/Amnesty idea is not just a stupid, traitorous idea, but is one that has been tried in other countries and is a proven failure. Take a look at European attempts at temporary worker plans. The ‘guest’ workers rarely go home, no matter what President Bush claims how his plan will work. Study after study has shown that illegals (soon to be guest workers?) do drive down wages, and do take jobs Americans will do (and proof of this is in the percentage of citizens vs. illegals in various work categories; illegals are a minority of workers in all categories, which means Americans make up the rest of the workers in those categories). There are no ‘jobs Americans won’t do,’ just jobs Americans won’t do for dirt-wages.

A guest-worker program will have the adverse affect of slowing technological advancements in many of the industries where these people work. What is to motivate changes and advancements if industries can opt for short-term cheap labor, ignoring long-term consequences? It is a fact that when illegal/cheap labor is cut off, businesses look to investing in labor saving machinery and techniques. Look to our own history of slavery in America. Perpetuating slavery stifled innovation in agriculture. Once slavery was removed from the agricultural equation, advances in technology and techniques impacting agriculture started moving forward. Thanks to these advancements, we are much more productive in most agricultural areas today. Where cheap manual labor is still plentiful, technological advances are slow in coming. This scenario has been repeated throughout our history in a number of industries.

Three things concerning the guest-worker program:

First, people want our laws enforced. Before anything else can be discussed, it is a matter of our laws being broken and the government not just failing to enforce the laws, but outright refusing to enforce the laws. Enforce the laws first, then let’s talk about legal and illegal immigration.

Second, the guest-worker debate is more about how congress can find a way to legitimize 12 to 20 million illegals to cover their failure to do their jobs. Rather than honestly deal with the law breakers in our midst, Congress appears to prefer to declare them all non-law breakers, as if that makes 20 million people go away, or magically, instantaneously assimilated into our society. It does not.

Third, whether they are called illegal aliens or guest-workers, allowing these people to stay here creates a large poverty class in our country with no real means of climbing out of that poverty. They are trapped by businesses wanting cheap labor. These people will not assimilate, which is key to succeeding in any country, and will remain in isolated communities that will continue to grow and eventually demand they get their way in a land not theirs, but they have convinced themselves is theirs. This is already being demonstrated by the huge protests illegals have held across our country over the last few weeks. Literally hundreds of thousands of these people fearlessly walk our city streets demanding ‘rights’ they have no claim to. (Which by the way, why don’t the immigration authorities show up and just round these people up while they were congregating in such large numbers in public?)

Congress needs to get realistic, and be honest about the issue of illegals and their amnesty plans. Illegals should not be given preferential treatment over the citizens of this country. A failure to aggressively address this matter will lead to the collapse of our country. Embracing any form of amnesty is cultivating the seeds of our country’s destruction. I have read numerous articles on the illegal immigration issue, and several articles actually offer suggestions that merit consideration. But is anyone in Congress listening? In the House, yes; in the Senate, it doesn’t appear as if they are.

If only our ‘leaders’ would listen before our country implodes. Any ‘guest-worker’ or ‘amnesty first’ program is a loser. Politicians need to wake up and quit demonstrating how stupid they are. Their job is to act on behalf of the citizens of this country, not the corporate interests of their financial backers or on behalf of globalistic one-worlders. And citizens need to keep telling their elected representatives that they had better represent their interests instead of the illegal rabble parading around our streets, lest they wish to get booted out of office in November.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderlist; fruitpickers; guestworker; mexicans
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...they are the most deceitful bunch of good-for-nothings to walk our streets.

I think that pretty much nails it. The only thing is that few, if any, walk the streets. They're walking on the treadmills furnished by the sucker taxpayers in their government paid-for gym.

1 posted on 04/12/2006 7:10:05 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy
They'll get the boot if they pass an amnesty program. I really wish a pox upon the Senate's house if politicians of both parties there continue to defy the express wishes of the American people.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

2 posted on 04/12/2006 7:13:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Congress needs to get realistic, and be honest about the issue of illegals and their amnesty plans. Illegals should not be given preferential treatment over the citizens of this country. A failure to aggressively address this matter will lead to the collapse of our country. Embracing any form of amnesty is cultivating the seeds of our country’s destruction.

Surely politicians don't want our country's destruction on their record and be blamed for that.

3 posted on 04/12/2006 7:14:59 AM PDT by stopem (Happy Easter, He Has Risen! Allelujia!)
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To: stopem

"Surely politicians don't want our country's destruction on their record and be blamed for that."

They don't have the vision or the wisdom to even care.
The politicians only care about themselves. In that context, getting votes would be a priority. The politicians from both sides seem to think they can win the Hispanic voters, (who are likely to be more active voters than current Americans).
No one actually believes it can all go wrong, until it does.


4 posted on 04/12/2006 7:20:19 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Guest worker - second class citizen - slavery lite ... they're all the same. It's not our way -- the unintended consequences of "guest worker" programs are horrendous. When I see someone with a brown skin I don't want to think, "there's some second class citizen who will clean the toilets". I want to think, "there's an American citizen, just like me". And that dignity of the human spirit won't happen if the rules are bent to allow illegals or second class citizens.


5 posted on 04/12/2006 7:22:26 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Tolerance of evil is not virtue.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
This immigration debate could all be just another cruel hoax the politicians are pulling on the citizens of this country.

The illegal immigration problem has been festering for more than twenty years, thanks to dereliction of duty of the federal government. It will take years to solve it but the first step, sealing the southern border, must be done now! Everyone seems to understand this except our elected representatives. TV ads have begun leading up to the November elections, and it's business as usual ... negative ads by both parties rather than answers to serious problems such as immigration, social security, national debt, energy policy, etc. It disgusts me but doesn't surprise me.

6 posted on 04/12/2006 7:35:44 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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For over a decade, the American people have screamed for our elected officials to do something to fix our illegal immigration problems . . .

This is news to me. Does anyone have any evidence to support this?

7 posted on 04/12/2006 7:44:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: FerdieMurphy

You nailed it. Anybody who thinks that the Republicans are the "stupid" party anymore is the dummy IMO.


8 posted on 04/12/2006 7:49:23 AM PDT by penowa
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To: FerdieMurphy
Their job is to act on behalf of the citizens of this country, not the corporate interests of their financial backers or on behalf of globalistic one-worlders

What do you do when the person you hired isn't doing the job? Maybe its time the American people started acting like the masters of their government, rather than the servants of it.
9 posted on 04/12/2006 8:00:29 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: GOPJ
I agree. It's absolutely despicable that here in America we need a perpetual underclass of Mexican Coolies to support our economy through a "guest worker" program. I have seen the way these people live here. The towns are virtually taken over by them and I've personally seen multiples in an apartment that harken back to NYC at the turn of the century. These people are exploited pure and simple. That's the flip side of this issue. An absolute disgrace for an America in this day and age.
And nobody is talking about the wage suppression to follow from this.

Outsource technical jobs and in-source serfs. Screw the middle class again. This issue is truly the dividing line between the privileged elites in power and the mainstream citizen.
10 posted on 04/12/2006 8:15:23 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Even the morally bankrupt Big Government LBJ saw in 1965 that the Bracero program, which was an early guest worker program, was not doing us any good. So he canned it. The tomato growers and others complained that they would never be able to get tehir crops picked. Their crops got picked. Prices didn't skyrocket any more than otehr things did. But their successors make the same wrong arguments today.

And our tax dollars subsidize these farmers, who then produce a surplus, which our tax dollars then buy and throw in warehouses to rot. Do we really need so many farm workers?


11 posted on 04/12/2006 8:19:28 AM PDT by TBP
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To: Alberta's Child; FerdieMurphy
For over a decade, the American people have screamed for our elected officials to do something to fix our illegal immigration problems . . .

Yeah, that sentence jumped out at me, too.

The fact is, illegal immigration has not been in the top ten list of issues for ANY Presidential election campaign over the last 20 years.

The only reason it's penetrated the national radar now is because of Congressional action and all the marches.

The truth is, if Congress comes up with some kind of bill, look for immigration to vanish from the consciousness of the voting public.

12 posted on 04/12/2006 8:20:45 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

All of them, in both parties, in my opinion.


13 posted on 04/12/2006 8:23:08 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians are in it for themselves, to get reelected, to benefit them, not we the people.)
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To: headstamp
Mexican Coolies

I like it. Mexican Coolies. Mexicoolis. I think I'll use it, if they don't ban us for it.

14 posted on 04/12/2006 9:02:15 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: sinkspur

If you remember 2004, people were furious about illegals but the two candidates effectively embargoed the issue by refusing to discuss or debate it. Kerry never attacked Bush for his stand on illegals, and Bush returned the favor. Call it Skull & Bones Courtesy.


15 posted on 04/12/2006 9:04:07 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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How can they be considered "Guest" when they broke into our house. I do not call criminals that break into my house "Guest". What a P.C. B.S.!
16 posted on 04/12/2006 9:04:58 AM PDT by Sprite518
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How can they be considered "Guest" when they broke into our house? I do not call criminals that break into my house "Guest". What political correct. B.S.!


17 posted on 04/12/2006 9:05:35 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Flavius Josephus
If you remember 2004, people were furious about illegals but the two candidates effectively embargoed the issue by refusing to discuss or debate it.

I remember people on FR were furious, but FR does not reflect the populace at large.

There were no polls indicating that illegal immigration was a major issue in 2004.

18 posted on 04/12/2006 9:15:08 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: goldstategop
They'll get the boot if they pass an amnesty program.

It will be interesting to see how the Senate lines up on this. I can't imagine a Senator facing reelection in November wants to vote for amnesty. The House CLEARLY is against amnesty and everyone of them faces reelection in November.

Could it be more clear that our politicians are bought and paid for? Will they bow to the special interest or their fear of the electorate?

19 posted on 04/12/2006 9:15:19 AM PDT by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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Guest Workers ?

GUEST VOTERS is the idea behind all this,

the DEMS are desperate and dnagerous.


20 posted on 04/12/2006 10:02:31 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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