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'Today': W's Poll Numbers Fallen - and They Can't Get Up
Today Show/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 04/12/2006 5:06:55 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

April 12, 2006

On a light news day, why not run a generic piece on President Bush's low poll numbers and his assertedly bleak prospects for reviving them? That was apparently the thinking at the Today show this morning.

Today themed the segment "Can Bush Save Presidency?", and NBC White House reporter Kelly O'Donnell seemed to answer the question in the negative, kicking things off with this gloomy assessment:

"For President Bush, low poll numbers have not just been a dip or temporary rough patch but appear now to be a sustained pattern that is different than his predecessors of both parties who went through their own tough times." She continued: "His . . presidency appears to have a chronic case of the below-40 percent blues."

After David Gergen was shown suggesting that "presidents have sometimes broken out of slumps when they've had big, bold initiatives and unexpected victories - that often shake things up" O'Donnell reappeared to dump cold water on the notion that W could have any such luck:

"Looking back, some second-term presidents have been able to rebound. President Reagan's approval fell to 34 percent with the arms-for-hostages scandal. Pres. Clinton hit 41 percent around impeachment. But both bounced back up to the 60s as they left office. Analysts say the prospects for Mr. Bush are not as good because of the weight of ongoing events: Iraq, gas prices, the CIA leak case and hurricane response."

Gergen popped back up to pessimistically proclaim: "After a while those negative feelings really do congeal, they crystallize, they become firm and then it's very hard to break out."

O'Donnell: "political observers claim big speeches and staff changes won't turn things around and suggest the president may have to wait to seize on any good news."

Commentator Stu Rothenberg then observed: "If there is something he can brag about he needs to quickly then be able to go to the American public and make his case and drive home the point. But for now he simply doesn't have much ammunition at his disposal."

Count on Today and its MSM cohorts to do their best to keep things that way.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; gergen; kellyodonnell; nbc; polls; rothenberg; todayshow
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To: chris1
I think you're right: Bush and indeed the entire Republican party ought to start appealing to conservatives in America. Of all races, creeds, religions and sexual orientation. Conservatives appreciate conservative policies.
181 posted on 04/12/2006 10:18:27 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: Recovering_Democrat

When I was poll watching in Jacksonville FL, I got the chance to speak to alot of voters who came out for GWB. There were a few issues why they were there:

1. WOT
2. Gay Marriage/Abortion
3. Judges.

If GWB were to actually come out in favor of the Gay Marriage amendment, it seems that it would help alot.


182 posted on 04/12/2006 10:22:20 AM PDT by chris1 (I)
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To: dirtboy

The former. And since PKM's post and ping was about the dynamic she describes, I was reponding to that.

But I think you knew that.


183 posted on 04/12/2006 11:07:23 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Jesus died on the cross for all of us.)
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To: chris1
Where I live, English is fast becoming a second language. It has gotten way worse over the past few years.

I see you're a member of the plaintiff's bar in New York. Tell me, who exactly legislated the bilingual laws there and who exactly argued before liberal elected and appointed courts to force bilingualism there and anywhere else? Who has sat back and not given a happy damn about this most of their lives? Feel free to answer or not, counselor, but your Bush-bashing is unwarranted and tiring. Perhaps you should indulge in a little legal malpractice to keep your skills sharpened.

184 posted on 04/12/2006 11:09:22 AM PDT by gatorbait
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To: Reagan Man
Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)

So, if you are a true Reagan acolyte, then it was hunky dory for him to sign a full bore amnesty into law? Please, your blather about true conservatives smacks of smug, pretentious self delusion. No, I won't ping to you either. Might cause tachycardia. Wouldn't want that.

185 posted on 04/12/2006 11:13:31 AM PDT by gatorbait
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To: gatorbait

Plaintiff's bar???????????

I represent small businesses who can't paid from deadbeats. Most are plumbers, painters, electricians, carting, and roofing who get screwed by deadbeat GC's.

I have never had a PI case in my entire life and would not know what to do if I had to do one.

Geez.


186 posted on 04/12/2006 11:23:42 AM PDT by chris1 (I)
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To: prairiebreeze
The former. And since PKM's post and ping was about the dynamic she describes, I was reponding to that.

Please, then, point out the spam on this thread.

187 posted on 04/12/2006 11:24:54 AM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: chris1
If GWB were to actually come out in favor of the Gay Marriage amendment, it seems that it would help alot.

I've seen him make public statements saying he does endorse the idea.

188 posted on 04/12/2006 11:35:49 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: dirtboy

Maybe hijacking is a better word than spamming. As I stated db, I responded to a ping and agreed with PKM's observation that way too many of threads (immigration, ports...pick a topic) become taken over by easily recognizable Bush bashers and degenerate into....crap. That's what I'm referring to.

Even if it isn't that same exact wordage or graphics (sometimes it is) these people use from thread to thread, it's the same purpose and dynamic. In many cases the thread topic (immigration etc.) becomes secondary to their real purpose (attacking the President).

And week after week, issue after issue, it becomes a tiresome distraction to the thread and FR overall. I'm tired of it, apparently so are others. I can be unhappy with the Pres and congress about the illegal immigrant situation without using repetitive language that denigrates the office of POTUS or our own congress, hence our country

Probably more explanation that you wanted, or even needed. But there it is.



189 posted on 04/12/2006 11:58:54 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Jesus died on the cross for all of us.)
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To: Chuck54

Amen. This should be engraved above every freedom loving Amricans computer.


190 posted on 04/12/2006 12:05:40 PM PDT by gunner03 (just another grunt)
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To: prairiebreeze
"Maybe hijacking is a better word than spamming. "

Well, terminology does matter. I don't think the threads are being hijacked - instead, I think this represents the level of dissatisfaction over Bush's positions on illegal immigration.

I would venture that if you and PhiKapMom and others directed a bit of ire up at the Bush Admin, it might change things - because the Bush Admin needs to hear from all sectors of the GOP and realize that it is running grossly counter to the base on this issue, and that, since Bush will not be up for re-election again, they need to subvert their guest-worker agenda when necessary for the good of the GOP House members up for re-election this year.

I am not happy with the Bush Admin and the RINO senators like Specter and Graham and McCain at all. But I stand firmly behind the GOP House, and IMO that stand is about the future of the GOP - and I see Bush threatening such. So you need to make a decision here - do you continue to defend Bush here, who will never face re-election again, or do stand up and demand that he quit hurting the chances of the House GOP in the 2006 elections?

191 posted on 04/12/2006 12:10:34 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

NPR ran with this story this morning, too. And it was 'Mr. Bush,' not President Bush. They were thrilled.


192 posted on 04/12/2006 12:12:03 PM PDT by hershey
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To: PhiKapMom
Now some of us are faced with the decision -- do we stay and fight for a site that we have devoted hours to in order to inform people who read this about the truth or do we go away like so many other good posters.

I'm staying and the bush bashers aren't winning any fans

193 posted on 04/12/2006 12:14:46 PM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: Mo1
The Bashers start after 10pm CDT and continue throughout the night hard and fast then by the day the same threads just trinkle with carry over bashers. These are the same times in which the MSM are starting to publish their daily liberal articles and it makes me wonder if these Bashers are MSM plants just pumping out the propaganda attracting attention to the articles by using Bush as their focal point?
194 posted on 04/12/2006 12:32:56 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Coop

Feel free to do so, Poop.


195 posted on 04/12/2006 12:45:07 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Grampa Dave

OUCH!

Grampa Dave, I was a car-carrying Bircher back in the early '60's and when I heard Ronaldus Magnis make his famous speech for Goldwater, I (as well as all the other Birchers I knew) immediately fell to our knees and thanked God for sending us such an outstanding statesman.

Our admiration has never faltered. RR was one of our greatest presidents, and is in the company of our most outstanding statesmen... ever. And all my old Bircher friends are in total agreement. Please don't lump us in with some of the present day yahoo's who call themselves far right.


196 posted on 04/12/2006 1:18:44 PM PDT by Humidston (Hey Greenies, How much is enough?)
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To: Reagan Man

Okay, Reagan Boy.


197 posted on 04/12/2006 1:43:43 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"For President Bush, low poll numbers have not just been a dip or temporary rough patch but appear now to be a sustained pattern that is different than his predecessors of both parties who went through their own tough times." She continued: "His . . presidency appears to have a chronic case of the below-40 percent blues."

Psst Kelly -- why not include all of congress in your doom and gloom assessment as I understand they poll just as low.

198 posted on 04/12/2006 2:55:22 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
You want bad poll numbers, put illegals in Death Valley concentration camps like some have suggested. I think we need to pick our battles. Right now the MSM has Americans so fed up over war that Iran will be able to blow us off the face of the earth before we send in any troops.

 

199 posted on 04/12/2006 2:58:34 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Reagan never hit 34% ever!!!...he was at 43% in late 1982 when unemployment hit 10.9% and again in the fall of 1986 he was at about 45-46% before recovering into the mid 50s by summer 1987. He hit over 60% by Jan 1989.

Clinton was not at 41% during impeachment. He was at 35% in 1994 but during impeachment he was at about 60%

these guys are morons.


200 posted on 04/12/2006 3:00:59 PM PDT by georgia2006
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