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Has Homosexuality Always Been Incompatible With Military Service?
WallBuilders ^ | David Barton

Posted on 04/11/2006 2:58:36 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: Radix

No one has used shelter halves in years. I turned mine in because I knew I would never use that piece of crap and it's one less piece of gear to keep up with. I use my poncho and bungee cords or a 8 x 10 foot woodland tarp. It is big enough for two soldiers and all their gear and it's a lot more waterproof.


61 posted on 04/11/2006 8:43:58 PM PDT by stm (You can fix a lot of things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Not in today's Army it's not. Fraternization is handled pretty harshly, especially if one or both of the parties are mid to senior NCO's and officers.


62 posted on 04/11/2006 8:49:17 PM PDT by stm (You can fix a lot of things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

This is an excellent piece by David Barton. It's just a shame that it is even an issue at all. Homosexual behavior is unnatural - - sexual activity is nature's way to survive and continue as a species, and the physical "parts" were designed specifically for procreation - - and unnatural acts creep people out instinctively. It's not something you need to think about - - you just know it in your gut from the time that you are a child. Whether people can "live and let live" doesn't matter in civilian situations where you can choose the people with whom you live and work.

However, in the risky and deadly serious business of warfare - - where trained, testosterone-fueled combat warriors tape their dogtags together so they don't jingle, and tread carefully through the brush at night with long twigs to check for tripwires - - any distraction can be fatal. To deliberately allow people who engage in creepy, unnatural behavior (sodomy) into the mix would amount to creating an unnecessary distraction. It would be pure idiocy and it would ultimately put lives at risk, all because liberals want to pander to a significant part of their Democrat Party's "base" - - the sodomites.


63 posted on 04/11/2006 9:09:10 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xzins

Probably somewhere in between. Pretty good proof exists that it was a common phenomenon in ancient Greece. Good proof also exists that it was used to slur various peoples too.

Probably existed in Sparta. Probably significant, but not as widespread as people think/thought.


64 posted on 04/12/2006 4:54:05 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Darth Malice

Bingo. The Romans tolerated homosexuals to the point of allowing them to own catamites, young boys passed about for their sexual pleasure. These boys were bought and sold openly by the homosexual community for fun, pleasure, and torture of many of the boys. Sickening thoughts, but I fear we follow the same Roman road.


65 posted on 04/12/2006 6:20:33 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

In the memoirs of Casanova, he recounts his meeting with Frederick the Great of Prussia. He states that Frederick the Great had a regiment of soldiers who all carried a pocket watch. This watch was supposed to be a gift that signified that the possessor had had sex with Frederick.


66 posted on 04/12/2006 11:27:31 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Neoliberalnot

Many people in European and Hispanic cultures distinguish homosexuality not based on whom a man sleeps with, but if he plays the male or female role in intercourse. The shame isn't so much being homosexual but in being effeminate.


67 posted on 04/12/2006 4:38:15 PM PDT by twippo (Ted's of Beverly Hills: We want to put our meat in your mouth.)
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To: warchild9; Howlin; USS Alaska; johnny7; Wolfstar; nutmeg; napscoordinator; Dolphy; Carolinamom; ...
My daddy spent 35 years as an active-duty Marine (grunt, then Marine Recondo--including WWII, Korea, and three tours in Viet Nam). He says as long as "they" did their jobs, no one really cared.

That sounds like a big old bunch of crap. Do you have any way to back that up? It sounds to me like you're making that all up in your tiny little head.

I thought you were going to stay away from FreeRepublic for a while. Do you remember? I joined an exodus of old-timers from FR a few months back back because it was being taken over by individuals who were, shall we say, intellectually inferior. I came back briefly to see if all the jokes over the internet about FR were wrong. They're not. and of course, Oh well, I'm out of here...

It must be a troll thing I guess.

Less than three months ago, you made the claim that your father had served for 30 years. By the way, my daddy was a 30-year Marine... That's a pretty impressive jump in three months from 30 years to 35 years.

Well, so much for the BA in Mathematics. BA in Mathematics (a waste of time)

I AM condescending, arrogant, and hyperbolic. You ought to hear me lecture in class. It's red meat and the students love it.

I think you're a troll trying to cause trouble. As a matter of fact, I highly doubt that you're a professor of any kind. Look, if your going to troll around looking to pick a fight at least get your story straight.
68 posted on 04/13/2006 8:40:07 PM PDT by dbehsman (One Wellstone memorial (rave party) is enough, thank you!)
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To: dbehsman; warchild9

War, I think you're busted.

Again.


69 posted on 04/13/2006 8:44:13 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: dbehsman

Nice catch. :-)


70 posted on 04/13/2006 8:44:33 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: dbehsman

You're definitely right. Ask him to tell you how many books he's written. I'll bet he can't remember from his last little lie. LOL


71 posted on 04/13/2006 8:49:33 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin; Peach; All

"It" showed up again? He can't hide his spots. LOL


72 posted on 04/13/2006 8:57:44 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Daily legal immigrant to FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Howlin; Peach; Carolinamom
I knew you guys would like this. I remember very well how completely evasive, rude and condescending this little worm was a couple of months ago. I just thought I would check up and see if he popped his head out again.
73 posted on 04/13/2006 9:05:01 PM PDT by dbehsman (One Wellstone memorial (rave party) is enough, thank you!)
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To: stm
With blood all over the place I would not want to risk infecting myself and signing my own death warrant.

That attitude is somewhat contrary to military service. In the military if you are told to assault the enemy position in the face of withering enemy fire, you assault the enemy position, even if you are "signing your own death warrant." Same with getting in a B-17 and flying to Nuremberg, even is there is a 1 in 10 chance that you will be shot down and die. You do anyway.

You should review the Medal of Honor citations for Combat Medic Desmond T. Doss Sr. and Thomas W. Bennett.

74 posted on 04/13/2006 9:12:31 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: dbehsman; Howlin; Peach

You recognized his style right off, dbehsman! Look for some freepmail from him if he persists in his MO.


75 posted on 04/13/2006 9:13:35 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Daily legal immigrant to FreeRepublic.com)
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To: FreedomCalls

I'd have to agree with him. I would hesitate to help somebody whom I knew to be a flamer if they were bleeding all over the place.

And the hesitation is enough to get you killed.


76 posted on 04/13/2006 9:34:06 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Protect American jobs. Don't hire illegals.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"Seems to me that the services would need 3 barracks. One for straight males, one for straight females, and one for gays."

And wouldn't that be a little bit of heaven for the gays.

77 posted on 04/13/2006 9:53:41 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: dbehsman; Howlin; Peach
They all come back to FreeRepublic... even the trolls.

He does have a point on homo's in the military... while few in number, they did exist. Manchester writes of at least one in his memoir of the Pacific Theater in WWII... 'Goodbye Darkness'. This individual was a Marine who 'snapped' during a long artillery barrage... a 'model-soldier' till all hell broke loose. He alludes to another... an officer who distinguished himself on Okinawa at 'Sugar-loaf'. If I remember correctly, he received the Navy Cross for his actions.

I'm sure they did exist... but it was never 'excepted' behavior in the armed services.

78 posted on 04/14/2006 4:53:43 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: FreedomCalls

With 19 years in the US Army and two wars under my belt I hardly think I have a problem defining what is and what is contrary to military service, thank you.


79 posted on 04/14/2006 8:16:54 AM PDT by stm (You can fix a lot of things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: dbehsman; warchild9

Busted.


80 posted on 04/14/2006 9:30:46 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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