Posted on 04/11/2006 2:58:36 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
So you'd just leave your dying friend to the enemy if going to rescue him meant exposing yourself to hostile fire? I don't get it. How is that any different from exposing yourself to a bloodborne disease that possibly could kill you? Should firemen not go into burning buildings to rescue people because they might get killed?
I would never leave a wounded soldier behind. But if I am going to die, I want it to be from a bullet and not a disease passed to me by a fag.
You seriously need to get a life.
I'll repeat myself: you need to get a life. And contact with some real people.
Hey Child! Don't go away mad, just go away!
Warchild again? Mommy must have left the liquor cabinet unlocked again.
Probably does not amount to much of anything and it proves even less. The idea of Alexander "probably bisexual" or ancient Greece's probably tolerance to "homosexual" relationships is interesting in the sense that it reflects what is often the case in a society based on assumptions fed by a popular culture that thrives on innuendo instead of actually searching out the original sources and reading them for ones self and not relying on sixth source information from people who obviously have alternative motives for saying what they do. So the "may be he/they were" shows that for most part the "proof" is nonexistent and without proof one is talking mere fantasy and allowing such fantasy to go unchallenged is the indulgence of fools and mental vagrants....yes I am talking about modern society here.
Here is another food for thought for people out there: What is interesting with this whole subject is that the biggest supporters of homosexuality being openly accepted in ancient Greece is put forth by openly homosexual "academians" such as David Halperin, Gore Vidal, John Winkler, Jonathan Ned Katz, John Boswell and Michel Foucault. It was Walter Pater (1870's a poet and tutor) he and his band of "merries" that just out of a weird coincidence were all homosexuals, originally began this fiasco of a theory in Oxford. We find them introducing a totally new "theory", in which Platonic love has nothing to do with "phyche" but is totally based on phisical attraction. Later we find a list of wanna-be "historians" of Hellinic sexuality, see: Michel Foucault, John Boswell, John Winkler and David Halperin that were or are all homosexuals, strange coincidence once again striving to make some connection between homos and Hellinism. The reason, of course, is simple and I mention it above, similar to those of Eurocentrics and Afrocentrics. Ancient civilizations such as Greece's have always been viewed as a model of civilisation. So what better way to justify their lifestyles than by connecting it to one of greatest civilizations and thus legitimise same-sex?
Another food for thought: contrary to what some would like us to believe, of the inumerable quantity of writings, literature, plays and written records of daily life in ancient Greece and history of the civilization which the Greeks legated to posterity, only a minuscule 5% of writings make some mention about homosexuality. As for painted vases, out of all the thousands of ancient Greek painted vases that have so far been discovered, over 80,000 have been found in Attica alone, that's the prefecture in which Athen's is located, only .02% have an overtly homosexual/bisexual theme on them. Pretty low percentage for a socieity that is so openly homosexual, don't ya think? From the inconsequential evidence available only individuals with alternative motives would manufacture allegations of such an unsustainable nature. Given the narrow selection found of such activities, (i.e. pederasty/homosexual/bisexual) in literature and artifacts, it should be kept in perspective that there is no real reason to believe such activities were the "norm" or representative of ancient Greek society as a whole any more than media distrubution of modern pornography(child, same sex, etc.) indicate what is normal and accepted in modern times by the majority of the population.
What are you doing here, defending the honor of one of your Pervert Pals?
Those societies always included pederasty. The complaint among old men was concerning their young boys who would become young men and dump them for a younger more beautiful man or boy.
Spartans killed babies who were considered imperfect. When boys became ready to leave their mothers they were mentored by older men..introduced to the "joys" of homosexual sex. The boys became conditioned to be homosexual.
Women were only used as breeders. The men used each other for entertainment and discussions and soulmates...women were always second class citizens in homosexual societies...like in ancient and preWWII Japan and many other cultures.
You have no equality between the sexes in homosexual societies and slavery always existed. Lust is the No. l virtue along with pleasure (which never included women).
Homosexual cultures are extremely ugly for children and women. Christianity is what elevated the status of women and built upon the Jewish concept of marriage and the importance of sexual fidelity to strengthen the survival of women and children by having a protective male in their lives. It is a superior model to all other models that gave status and equality to women and gave protection to boys particularly.
In Sparta? Spartan women enjoyed rights not “provided” by the men in other Greek poleis. Women were essentially the head of household, very athletic, and educated (Taught to read and right).
Aristotle made fun of Spartan men because they actually gave certain privileges to the women, in which he found repugnant. Also, Spartans were not very fond of pederasty (You are thinking Athens). Spartan men were conditioned to marry and breed. Sodomy was practiced, but to be an exclusive homosexual was frowned upon. Same in other poleis. A full blown homosexual was the lowest of the low in Greek city-States.
“and right”
Sorry, write, Friday cocktail is kicking in
But, I don't want to start no trouble here. :)
Not true, although different periods did have different laws, but there was widespread pederasty in Spartan military culture as well as in Athens. Judaism is the first religion to ever put sex into a moral framework (restraints by sex and age) as we have come to understand as natural, particularly through the development of Natural Law Theory and Christianity.
The ideals of beauty and perfection were the the objects of sex in Greek and Roman cultures...no sexual morality among their gods or anyone. Some Greek city-states did have to make laws that discouraged homosexuality so the men would leave their lover for a few years and take the time to mate with a woman. The Greeks and Romans did understand the need for future generations and at some periods felt the need to discourage the homosexual acts for some years in a man’s life.
There are many places where you can research this on the net and I don’t have the time to find all the info again. There are also many books on the subject, if you are interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece
How about Stanford....
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/
I graduated with a Fine Arts degree and we studied ancient art and I saw numerous depictions of homosexual sex which included boys, not only in ancient Greek and Rome art, but in Japanese and Asian art. We also saw a ton of homoerotica which was the art and statues that the pervert Hitler surrounded himself with, along with all his homosexual aides and Brownshirt homosexuals. Why do homosexuals never claim the Nazis as homosexuals...hmmmmm
They go after everyone else like Lincoln....they ignore all the homosexuals like Jeffery Dahmer and all the other homosexual serial killers?
There is an effort to make homosexuality a genetic condition which is a complete fraud, so yes, I agree that on the net there is a covert effort to scrub all sites of evidence of homosexual behavior as being “learned”. Kinsey, even that degenerate, considered sexuality fluid.
It is learned ....Remember that politician that recently was accused of trying to initiate sex with a teenager....he said he was molested by a 12 year old boy when he was 6 and he had this deep desire to have sex with boys that never left him.
Many of the priests (homosexuals) said they had been molested when they were boys and they couldn’t suppress that sexual urge when with young boys, even with extensive counseling and religious study....You could study Freud on the reason for fixations.
Better yet....Read the Pink Swastika. The homosexual groups are vigorously suppressing that book as you can see in Wikipedia (yes that site has cr*ppy info....ESPECIALLY when you have a rabid group who can’t stand TRUTH shining on their sickness.
The Wandervogel was founded by a homosexual who wanted to camp with German boys....get them away from their parents to seduce them and play with them (sexually)and condition them into the homosexual lifestyle (which he learned from being molested). It is disgusting.....to pervert the nature of man....Aristotle came up with logic and the idea of Natural Law which Cicero expanded on....
It was the idea of Natural Law which became prevalent with Catholic Theology in Western Civilization which was based on reason, logic and science, that finally stuck that vile lifestyle into the closet where it needs to stay. It corrupts the innocence and nature of young boys. The Founding Fathers couldn’t even mentioned the act they thought is so vile and evil and so destructive to the civil society.
The homosexuals are trying to revise history as are all Cultural Marxists. They twist and lie. It is exactly what the Bible predicts....good will become evil and evil, good.
This is such an example of the Progressive/Marxists twisted thinking from a “credible” Stanford site...ha ha. Note the unbiased word “fascinating” and the affirmation that there is “sharp debate”.....Right==only with Cultural Marxists or Atheists and those Cultural Marxists who took over “Christian” churches and installed their practicing homosexual pastors. HA HA.
“Exactly what attitude the New Testament has towards sexuality in general, and same-sex attraction in particular, is a matter of sharp debate. John Boswell argues, in his fascinating Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, that many passages taken today as condemnations of homosexuality are more concerned with prostitution, or where same-sex acts are described as “unnatural” the meaning is more akin to ‘out of the ordinary’ rather than as immoral (Boswell, 1980, ch.4; see also Boswell, 1994). “
Your assessment of the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism's (Political Correctness) goals are spot on. The self-hating Jews who fled Hitler and settled in Columbia University are the bane of American society right now.
I have read somewhere that by the age where man should be a “father” they were discouraged in some instances from all homosexual relationships. This condemnation was necessary because of the obsession and lust inherent in homosexual relationships which exclude the necessity of companionship of women who were never considered an equal to men in those times, nor given much worth for anything other than being the “breeder”.
Women certainly were never considered intellectual equals, and, therefore, never desired for serious dialogue nor companionship. Since they were not needed for sexual release they were easily ignored and never sought for any reason unless to breed.
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Homosexuality was an acceptable practice and not condemned in any meaningful way for teenagers or older men. What was considered immoral was how the younger man would dump his homosexual “older” man for a more beautiful “younger” man. There was never immorality applied to homosexual behavior UNLESS they refused to reproduce at the appropriate age. Ancient civilizations did understand the value of reproducing.
The idea of Natural Law, especially as conceived by Cicero was the concept that eventually put total condemnation on the practice, such as in the Old Testament by the Jews that classified homosexual as immoral. Jews never had the universality that Christ eventually had. Christianity, since it was aligned to Natural Law Theory (logic, reason and science), was the major force that wiped out the practice in Western Civilization because Christianity became the dominant force in the culture.
Today, homosexuality is one of the forces being used by the Marxists to destroy Christianity in Western Civilization. They understood the strength in Capitalist countries was the Christian family which had the abiltity to produce emotionally secure people and one who had a strong sense of loyalty to family and were individualistic—that quality which will not allow communes and state slavery. Christianity had the tremendous force of giving value to all human beings, therefore Marxist ideology of killing the useless eaters never is acceptable.
Other cultures, such as the one in Afghanistan, still doesn’t look upon the definition of “homosexuality” of Post Modern society as being relevant. They are much more inclined to the pagan practices of ancient civilizations which excluded women in the same way. Look there for your “condemnation” of homosexuality and their use of the beautiful little boys which is a curse in their culture (that is if you hate NAMBLA ideals which is based on ancient societies and obviously current non-Christian/Jewish ones).
Pinging a couple of you from that pulled thread (wish I could remember another name or two) to three older articles detailing why homos in the military is a Very Bad Thing.
Plus a good BTTT for people who have not read these articles.
And you too.
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