Posted on 04/11/2006 3:33:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Thanks for the reminder Jim.
Jim is wrong on this one. You are wrong on this one. Capitulating merely makes it that much easier to capitulate the next time. The very idea that we should all pick our battles only in light of political expedience is silly (and wobbly).
I'm not suggesting we burn the place down. Just suggesting that if movers and shakers like Robinson are convinced we can't win, then we can't win. Game over.
There are two groups of people in this world.
Those that believe what they are told to believe,
and those that believe what their minds tell them to believe.
I like to think of the first group as liberals the so called free thinkers that are neither free nor think but are only led.
And the second group is of course, the conservatives whose opinions are formed into steel from thoughts in which they strongly believe, I count myself as a member of the second group.
even though i said all that, overall I still support him.
Thanks for your efforts here!
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usmcobra 11
I support him also, but it's too bad it has come to this.
BTTT
That of course is your opinion.
Why are third parties such a great idea? I mean, does it really make a difference whether a candidate runs as a member of the Constitution party or the Republican Party if its the same guy with the same views? You'd still end up with the same spectrum of people in Congress -- just different party labels. Ron Paul is a pretty good example there. Does he vote any differently now than he did before?
Bumping the thread!!
Who could argue that point, the Lord remains in charge, but the issue isn't fear.
Teaching evolution in school harms our children intellectually, and spiritually, while weakening our country in the same ways. A conservative site should not tolerate institutionalized ignorance of any kind; it's all equally harmful.
I don't care which group you belong to. In case you hadn't noticed, I've been hitting back with facts. Liberals can't deal with cold hard facts. Believe what you want, the facts are what remain.
Well said, and thank you for saying it (and for providing us with this great forum).
I hope more conservatives will be open-minded about President Bush's plan, rather than reacting emotionally against it.
And I'm as conservative as you can get. (To establish my bona fides: I was a Buchanan voter in my state's '92 Republican primary.)
Yet I think Buchanan is wrong on this issue. Much as I admire Senators Sessions, Kyl, and Cornyn, I think they're wrong too. (And much as I despise McCain and Hagel, I think they're right.)
I do not see President Bush's plan as "amnesty," and I think it's dishonest to portray it as such.
Nor is it honest to call all illegals "criminal." Our current law does not define illegal presence here as a criminal offense. And the recent Republican bill in the House --the one that attempts to re-categorize illegal presence as a felony-- has been an utter disaster.
I believe Larry Kudlow, et al, that trying to deport all the illegals is not only logistically impossible, but would be an economic disaster --for us-- as well.
Look, fellow conservatives, we ALL want border security.
We all want every alien coming into this country checked for criminal history or intent.
We all want immigrants to learn to SPEAK ENGLISH and to understand and respect our American system of government.
As I see it, the president's plan and the latest Senate compromise is the best one out there. Yes, it's easy to ridicule, and it will not work perfectly and will not make everything hunky-dory. But nothing will at this point. We have to do something, and the president's plan is a start.
bttt
In a hypothetical third-party system, you'd have a robust third party full of Ron Pauls (and, perhaps, Buchanan-brigaders and Tancredoites as well). Would this party be a majority? Probably not. But it could, under parliamentary practice, form a coalition with the mainstream Republicans and force them to adopt most of their platform if they wanted a majority. Ditto for the DemoRATS regarding any Green-type party.
"6.1billion"
These days, 6.1 billion is not so much money. I believe it is less than the current cost of one Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and its air group. It would be money well spent. And you are quite right about the long-run savings.
wow, I never knew how many people that don't believe evolution! :) makes me feel right at home.
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