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VC (Victoria Cross) winner branded a war criminal
The Telegraph ^ | 10 April 2006 | Paul Chapman

Posted on 04/10/2006 12:57:07 PM PDT by 5050 no line

A ruse that helped to win a soldier the Victoria Cross during the Second World War was a "war crime" and New Zealand should apologise to the families of the snipers he killed, it was claimed yesterday.

Alfred Clive Hulme, the father of Denny Hulme, the late world motor racing champion, was awarded the VC for bravery in killing 33 German snipers over eight days during the Battle of Crete in 1941. He returned home a hero to the town of Nelson.

But a new book by two military historians says that, in winning his VC, Sgt Hulme committed "acts of perfidy" under international law.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hero; newzealand; sniper; vc; wwii
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Which planet do these Kiwis live on nowadays? Some of the finest fighting men on the planet in WWs I and II. Think Gallipoli in the First lot and Charles Upham, holder of VC and bar in the second.

How they have dishonoured these men. Combat is not subject to the Marquis of Queensbury rules, fergodzake.

1 posted on 04/10/2006 12:57:10 PM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: 5050 no line

If you find yourself in a fair fight, you screwed up.


2 posted on 04/10/2006 12:59:53 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: 5050 no line

Here is one of the "horrid" acts:

"On one occasion Sgt Hulme donned a German paratrooper's smock, climbed up behind a nest of enemy snipers, and pretended to be part of their group. "He shot the leader first, and as the other four snipers looked around to see where the shot had come from, Hulme also turned his head as if searching for the shooter," the book says."

Sounds smart to me.

Subjected him to the firing squad, mind you, as, under the Geneva Convention the Germans would have been permitted to kill him for being in a fake uniform.

But WAR CRIME? No, just risky.


3 posted on 04/10/2006 1:01:25 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: 5050 no line

I don't even have the words...


4 posted on 04/10/2006 1:02:11 PM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I suppose if he had disguised himself and killed Hitler in 1941, he should apologize for using a "ruse" to stop the Holocaust as well. Jackasses...


5 posted on 04/10/2006 1:03:53 PM PDT by Keith (now more than ever...it's about the judges)
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To: 5050 no line

IIRC, as long as he was wearing his own national uniform underneath the German paratrooper smock, it's a legitimate ruse of war that was used by both sides during WWII.

False flag ops have a long history.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 1:05:35 PM PDT by Ronin
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The Nazis killed 6 MILLION Jews.
Sgt. Hulme shot 33 Nazi snipers.

And Sgt. Hulme is the bad guy? Un-frigging -believable!


7 posted on 04/10/2006 1:06:23 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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Well done,Sgt Hulme! Sadly,your country has gone Communist since your death,but *you* did well.
8 posted on 04/10/2006 1:06:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: 5050 no line
Exactly what do they expect soldiers to do to win a war?
Should we also label our bullets, announce when we are going to fire, and reduce their velocity so the enemy will have a fair chance to dodge them?

This reminds me of this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612491/posts

Only complete passivity is acceptable to these numbskulls.
9 posted on 04/10/2006 1:06:42 PM PDT by E-Mat
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The academics in New Zealand are even more wacky than our own.

To me, it seems just appallingly bad taste to publicly defame somebody like Sgt Hulme, demeaning his acts of valor and assaulting his memory.

I piss on Lt Col Harper and Profs Wills and Hodges. Shame on them!

10 posted on 04/10/2006 1:07:23 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 5050 no line
Are you kidding me with this article?

Who are these two "military historians"? Bring them and their credentials into the light of day, and then we'll see who is who...perhaps New Zealand has forgotten the threat they faced in the time that Alfred Clive Hulme climbed into a nest full of Nazi snipers...Gawd Almighty, what is the matter with people Down Under?
11 posted on 04/10/2006 1:07:51 PM PDT by ishabibble (UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Many years ago I was at an Army Fordham basketball game. One particular cadet named Houston was killing my Rams. In overtime he was touch fouled by a Fordham player and I yelled, "If you're gonna foul him, put him in the hospital." A couple of Army parents chastised me with "way to play fair Fordham." I responded, "If my tax dollars were teaching their kids to play fair, I want my money back.They're supposed to be teaching them to win."


12 posted on 04/10/2006 1:07:52 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Peace, Love, Brotherhood, and Firepower. And the greatest of these is Firepower!)
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To: 5050 no line

Someone wrote a book and that makes it true? Branded war criminal because someone wrote a book? What the hell is wrong with people today?


13 posted on 04/10/2006 1:09:29 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: Frank_2001
The Nazis killed 6 MILLION Jews.

And another five million of everybody else, IIRC- and that doesn't count Allied combat losses, in-the-field massacres and the 'collateral damage' of combat in populated areas.

14 posted on 04/10/2006 1:10:01 PM PDT by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: 5050 no line
Lets see now, the Germans were fighting for the Nazi's but we are not allowed to fight them 'dirty'?

I guess it wasn't fair us having Ultra or having cracked the Japanese code!

15 posted on 04/10/2006 1:12:03 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: 5050 no line

Imagine a Britain where there is no Thatcher type figures, where the al-Guardian and Indypendent enjoy mainstream readership support, and Harold Pinter is a good barometer of where most intellectuals based in this country stands. You get New Zealand.

Our people have read far too much from your Fleet Street publications when they did their OEs in "the Home Country" and take them far too seriously.


16 posted on 04/10/2006 1:12:05 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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The Nazis killed 6 MILLION Jews.

That National Socialists killed almost 12 million people, including approximately 6 million Jews.

17 posted on 04/10/2006 1:12:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 5050 no line

Sounds like another case of trying to create a 'buzz' on a new book. Shameful, but typical; bash a hero in a book and the MSM can't wait to print the story.


18 posted on 04/10/2006 1:13:14 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 5050 no line

German soldiers, disguised as US Army Military Policemen, redirected troops and were thought to have killed others at The Battle of the Bulge.

They were not thought highly of, at the time.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 1:14:15 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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"Who are these two "military historians"?"


Well, it appears that at least one of them is some kind of pussy Lt-Col, one that I wouldn't want to follow into battle.


20 posted on 04/10/2006 1:14:29 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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