Posted on 04/10/2006 8:24:37 AM PDT by Danae
Welcome back all concerned!
Just to clarify, this is a thread discussing both what is happening LIVE across the country as Illegal Immigrants protest their Illegality, and what to do about it. Let's discuss VIABLE options as to what to do about this issue. I have a sneaking suspicion that this "Protest" of American LAW is going to be pretty big. I predict that there is going to be a LOT of pandering to these 11 million or so criminals by our Politicians. I sincerely hope not. To any and all Politicos of all parties, WE the PEOPLE are watching you, and LISTENING to what you are going to say today. 289 million of us LEGAL citizens will see with pristine clarity just WHO in the Political arena is looking out for US, the people who VOTED you into Office in the first place. The biggest question on my mind and perhaps one or two others is: Are you going to protect and serve as you promised and swore to up-hold the Constitution or not? Are you going to up-hold out law or are you going to support the Illegal’s? 298 million to 11 million. You do the math. Let’s roll.
We'll have to agree to disagree :)I guess I'm a naive idealist. I still believe that every problem has s solution. Sometimes you can't see it and sometimes you can. Sometimes the solution is easy, and sometimes impossibly hard to accept. Sometimes the solution is to just hold your head high and go down with the ship because there is nothing else you can do except put it in God's hands. That is just life. Would you die for your ideals and beliefs?
As for what we were talking about earlier, yes there is a solution. You fight. You refuse to accept the situation dealt to you. You do not blindly accept. The solution is that you try.
That's not a solution, that's a creed.
A solution, by definition, solves the problem. You are suggesting that what I'll term "ways to cope with the problem" are "solutions" TO the problem.
They're not.
Actually, if you look back to my original point, in post # 99, you'll see that rather than disagreeing with me, you are underscoring my original position, namely [from that post],
So, we're back to square one, except that this time, you agree with me! :)
So how do we, the American people fix this?We don't.
We can't.
We endure it.
Nope, not a joke as far as I know. I saw the pic in another thread in the Breaking News area here.
Was that Maria Buttaroma, from CNBC?
Bingo. They really do believe that they OWN our votes. There is no shortage of footsoldiers out and about -- even here -- taunting, "You gonna elect Hillary?" any time anyone even talks about holding their feet to the fire.
And just yesterday, Arlen Lord Specter came right out and said that they were going to give us two weeks to "cool off" and then jam this sucker right down our throats.
There is a LOT of money that has spoken -- there are VERY powerful interestes who will NOT settle for anything less than the full treatment, and they have NO intention of backing down.
And, thanks to OUR past performance -- our willingness to take an incredible amount of abuse, and then, on election day, hold our noses and vote "R" -- they are confident that they CAN do anything they want. Our mere votes are -- to their way of thinking -- the least of their problems.
I am not optimistic at this point. I really do believe tht the fix is in. I think that we stand about as much chance as Terri Schindler did. Like her, we'll get lots of hand-wringing, lots of "attention", lots of "effort" -- but in the end, she died, didn't she. And in the end, we are gonna have a hundred million Mexican "citizens" taking over our country.
But, the guys calling the shots will make out OK. The employers will have their cheap labor, the politicians will have all those new voters to pander to -- by throwing OUR money at them -- and it'll be business as usual, except for Spanish being the predominant language in our third-world nation.
I'm not so sure about that.
If J F'n Kerry had won, the Republican legislature would have fought him tooth and nail, instead of handing over the goods like they do with our "conservative" President.
Sad, isn't it.
If you want real change, everyone who is organizing these counter-rallies is going about it all wrong. Someone should organize a few thousand Americans to penetrate the sovereign border of Mexico. Then the media can get a good close look at the reaction of the Mexican government....Then no matter Congress does will pale in comparison and be more palatable....
"What happened to Sabertooth?"
I miss him too. And we really need him now.
Excellent report from Iowa. Truly proving that "this is a border state problem" is really hiding one's head in the sand.
Simple solution to illegal immigration (a golden rule of immigration, so to speak): If you are an illegal immigrant, you can have the exact same rights an American would have in your home country. That is, NO free speech, no right of property ownership, and no right to refuse to assimilate.
It's really sad out here on the streets of America. I was almost afraid of displaying MY AMERICAN flag until my anger took over and I proudly display it now.
So if we wave a magic wand and make these 12 million illegal immigrants citizens, it will be required to pay them minimum wage, right? Jeez, we're gonna need more cheap labor!
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(1)withhold money from the RNC and tell them why
(2)tell the RNC and individual senators that you will vote for a third party in the general election even if it leads to the election of a Democrat
I included both of those items in an email to Ken Mehlman. Not like I have a lot of money to withhold, but it gives me a small feeling of power :)
Slightly worse? Perhaps if you were standing on Mars it might appear slightly worse. :-)
If a Republican Senator refuses to act conservative enough you want to elect a socialist? Like that makes any sense. This will only foster RINOs in the following elections. You can't force him to the hard right. You don't have the votes. He answers to all his constituents.
The battlefield is in the mushy middle. The solution is not to fruitlessly try to force Congress to the hard right. The solution is to recruit real conservatives who can speak and persuade the mushy middle that the hard right is actually the middle.
After reading your latest post, I find myself rethinking my position and you are absolutely correct. My solution is my creed. We'll agree to agree on this one. You have taught me something new and made me open up and think a little bit more. Thank you. See? You can learn something new every day :)
/Don Joe bows :)
The two biggest advances for conservatism in the last 50 years were predicated by conservative voters rejecting the election of Democrat-Lite Republicans.
Conservatives rejected Ford in 1976 and it cleared the way for Reagan in 1980. Did the GOP respond by moving more to the left like your post predicted or did it properly realize it's folly and move back to the right?
Conservatives rejected George HW Bush in 1992 and it led to take over of the House in 1994 - after 40 years of being in the minority. Again, did the GOP move more to the left after 1992 or did it come to it's senses and move back to the right?
Sometimes you have to take one step back to take 10 forward. Democrat-Lite Republicans are clogging up the way and preventing conservative Republicans from entering the fray. Get rid of the Democrat-Lite Republicans in CONSERVATIVE states and the
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