Posted on 04/10/2006 5:52:04 AM PDT by IrishMike
When the Minutemen set up shop at the Arizona border last year to call attention to the illegal alien loophole in US Homeland Security, President Bush foolishly chided these brave patriots by calling them vigilantes. Although chagrined at being deserted by the man who has the constitutional responsibility and authority to defend our borders, the Minutemen dug in their heels and persisted. And persisted.
Their Yankee determination to do the right thing was rewarded when President Bush finally sent additional border patrol agents to Arizona. Even the Mexican government was motivated to pay greater attention, at least temporarily, because of the due diligence of heroic Minutemen.
Before the Minuteman took their courageous stand, open border advocates and anti-American liberals insisted it was “impossible” to stop illegal immigration. Best to just accept reality, learn Spanish, and switch to rice and beans as food stables, according to the leftists and Hispanic racists.
Thank God, the Minutemen PROVED illegal aliens CAN be stopped, thereby delivering a great victory on behalf of all American citizens.
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No, you're trying to soften his remarks after the fact.
Hanging thousands from trees doesn't sound like something that would happen in our judicial system today. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.
In fact, I'd like to be reminded of the last time a judicial execution involved hanging from a tree. I'd guess never, but certainly not within the last 150 years.
Anyway, Travis had that dreamy forecast in his wishdreams. Thousands of Americans dangling from the White Oak tree. Damn quislings hired a Mexican bricklayer.
Hang 'em.
As to your contention regarding hanging by a rope from a tree...it certainly has been much less than 150 yers (1856), IMHO, since someone was legally hung from a tree.
Having said that, I can look past the emotion of the moment, knowing Travis, and understanding what hisi intent was. He is a loyal American, has served his country faithfully under the Uniform Military Code, respects the constitution and his oath to it.
In a horrible civil war, there would be summary, military executions after tribunals, just like there were in the last one...which, BTW, was less than 150 years ago.
I will leave it for others to make their own determination regarding Travis's remarks, my comments, as one who knows him personally, stand as a witness regarding his honor and his position...despite the heat of the moment.
What you have to realize is if this came to pass {meaning a cultural civil war} todays judicial system would be no more. We would basically fall into third world anarchy. Not a pretty site. But I'm assuming like a few of us Travis has been in third world nations where the prevailing culture is in fact anarchy.
For example if you think Brazil is a civilized culture I can show you something that would make your blood run cold. How about 6 year olds living on the street orphaned and hardened enough to kill you? Try Salvador Brazil. Or how about a Communist nation where three factions literally hate each others guts and the only thing that kept the peace for 50 or so years was an iron fist dictator. That was Tito's Yugoslavia and I saw both. A world war started there remember?
I don't believe any poster in here is anti-legal immigration. There has to be some order to those wishing to live here including the desire to leave behind their culture as millions upon millions have done since our founding as a nation. So far though order is the last thing on most illegals minds entering this nation.
I'm old enough to remember the 1960's riots. If/when/ certain members of our population mostly other minorities find themselves being put out of work there is going to be major anger. Who will the angry ones go looking for? Oddly enough I would guess it would be three way mayhem. And I'm not calling for it . This is just what I see as being a likely outcome if the amnesty goes through and our borders are not secured. It's a real danger that many are not facing and again I think some see that threat.
Welcome.
At this time it would seem that neither the White House nor the Congress has any intention whatsoever of counteracting the precipitous conditions that exist in this country. In fact it looks very much like their actions will greatly exacerbate the fractionalization of America along many fault lines.
I warned of civil war during the post 2000 election fiasco. So did literally dozens of FReepers. Had Algore taken the Presidency with his band of lawyers it would have been a near certainty. Things went the other way and many don't believe that now. Many don't think that overturning the electoral process, a coup, would've been reason enough and so they don't think anyone else would've either. They apparently don't have a very wide circle of acquaintances.
They fail to recognize human nature and the fact that there are a lot of people in this country of all manner of intellect and sentiment. Being a reasonable person yourself or knowing only reasonable people (if that's how you make the distinction) does nothing to change that fact.
The situation today with our Mexican border and illegal aliens has heated up to the point where it will flash soon. It is probably going to flash no matter what is done at this point but a proper respect for the situation from our government, in the form of sensible legislation and law enforcement, would go a long way towards limiting its outcome. The chances of that happening appear to be next to nil, I am sad to say. Wishing that wasn't the case won't change it.
No one who has read Travis McGee's posts over the years can look into their heart and honestly say that his motives are anything but for peace and tranquility in this country. Passionate hyperbole is what it is. Hyperbolic. In this case it had a purpose, it's a warning signal.
That was my reason for it in 2000 and, in his own words, that is his purpose now. It may be vain but the hope is that someone with good sense, love of country and some influence will pay attention and head this off before it gets worse and we have a nation at war with itself instead of just a few southwestern cities in riot.
The board is set and the pieces are in motion. Our government has already failed so spectacularly to address this that conflict is a near certainty. (In fact it has already been taking place.) And I'll make this prediction as well; it won't be citizens that start it.
I really hope I'm wrong about it. But too many people with a great sense of human nature and history, like Travis, without covering their eyes with fuzzy hopes and wishes, can see what's at play and can see the probable outcome.
There are probably a half billion people in the world who are worse off than the peasant class of Latin America and would love to come here. (And we've only taken in a small percentage of the LAs) And every flavor of leftist you can name is now calling for us to throw open the door to them. (Pardon me, the door is open, wide open. They want to put up a welcome sign.) Each has their own reasons for that. The Dems, our home-grown leftists, are just looking to consolidate political power. Amnesty will cinch that.
If this country falls into Civil War II, EVERYBODY loses because the ultimate casualty in Civil War II would be freedom because no matter which side would win, the Constitution would probably be set aside and America would re-emerge as an iron-fist totalitarian police state.
Or chances are that there is probably a UN by-law which allows them to take over any country which disintegrates into Civil War. If that's the case, Civil War II would probably be the official birth of the NWO one-world government.
You are exactly right. Thank you for making that point.
The virtue of his statement hinges on the identity of the "thousands of Americans to be hung from trees".....
He was trying to sell a new book about it, wasn't he? I figured it was just a bunch of marketing hype.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but, are you suggesting that we allow all illegal aliens to remain and any others on their way to become citizens of this country? To do away with what little we have in the way of trying to control our open borders? That's what it looks like to me. That we give up the pretext of a border dividing our country from mexico? To avoid a civil war? You want to just go ahead and relinquish our laws and country to those who broke the law and continue to do so?
We will lose the Constitution either way we jump. You want it to be a bloodless coup. But it's a coup nonetheless.
Is that what you meant?
Or chances are that there is probably a UN by-law which allows them to take over any country which disintegrates into Civil War. If that's the case, Civil War II would probably be the official birth of the NWO one-world government.
The UN isn't stupid enough or strong enough to try an armed bums rush to try to take this country. Hell, they can't zip their flys without someone next to them holding a pamphlet, reading the instructions to them. Their modus operandi is to do it behind closed doors an inch at a time. That way, you won't know you've lost your country until they present you with the bill of sale. Just how long do you think that building of theirs would be left standing if they tried that chit?
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There is no doubt that the future could become very bleak indeed. If we do not, as a people, stand now for our rights, our constitition, our liberty, our moral foundaton, our heritage and our way of life...and by that I mean impressing on our representatives the absolute need, the overriding imperative to address these issues as Americans, loyal to their oath to the constitution or to be turned out in favor of those who will...then we will certainly see horrific times come upon us with the very real prospect of civil war and upheaval.
Nonetheless, I believe in that event, as horrific as it may become (and I believe it will make the Balkans, Lebannon, and even our own earlier civil war pale in comparison), yet I have faith in that same God in Heaven that He will not forsake us entrely.
I believe the Constitution and our union will come through it...and that we will rise up on the other side yet a constitutional republic, and renewed in our strengths and commitments. That is my faith...as unlikely as it may seem to some, it is no more unlikely than that those colonmial militiamen and ragtag continental army would have a chance in hades of defeating the most powerful armed force on the earth of their time. Outside of that portion of your statement, we are in agrement and we must be driven to stand now...and then trust in the hand of Providance and our own commitment and honor to see us through.
I feel this is important. That we all should take the chance to read his explanation as he gave it to me, particularly since it is being discussed about him in the forum. It is not my intent to somehow cirumvent JR's decision...and hope it will not be taken that way. I am quoting him...but not posting for him. There is a huge difference.
Here is what he emailed me as explanation...
I'd like to state for the record my thinking and motivation in posting my "hanging Quislings" remarks. I honestly and sincerely see our nation driving straight into a bloody Balkan-style civil war on our present course. Perhaps it is my location 20 miles from the Mexican border which leads me to fear this more than folks who live far from the reality. Last night in San Diego, there was an arson attack against a Mexican restaurant with anti-Mexican graffiti sprayed on the outer walls. This is very big news locally, and is causing tensions to ratchet higher and higher. Yes, the Southwest is a tinderbox, and our so-called leaders in Washington seem to think that more gasoline is the answer.Again, these are words that Matt wrote to me in an email.
My goal is to wake people up to the extreme danger I see ahead of us if we don't change our present course. As difficult as it will be to grasp the nettle and deal with the problem presented by the illegal alien invasion today, it will be harder or even impossible after ten to twenty million illegal aliens are granted amnesty and begin to bring in thirty or forty million family members. If this happens, then a bloody civil war for our Republic is guaranteed, in my humble opinion.
As far as my remarked about hanging the Quislings: the illegal alien invasion that is such a mortal threat to our Republic is driven by the greedy business owners who are willing to break the law and employ illegals. They provide the magnet that pulls the illegals into the USA, and if they stopped doing so, (as for example by the enforcement of laws already on the books), the invasion would stop and the danger of civil war would lessen.
However, if our leaders fail to see the danger caused by their failure to enforce current immigration laws, and worse, their offers of amnesty and all that will entail, then our nation is destined to experience a horrible and bloody civil, if not now, then in the coming years. Jeff, we both have teenage sons, and I do not want them to live the Balkan nightmare of a dirty civil war. If our nation is driven into this disaster through the malfeasance and negligence of our leaders, and the overriding greed of our illegal-alien-hiring businessmen, then I would like them to understand, that in the backwash of the horrors of a civil war, their roles in precipitating it will not be forgotten by those who survive it.
If it happens, this will be an entirely man-made civil war, where one side of the war is literally being imported in advance from a foreign nation, to fight it against Americans. If this civil war happens, I do believe that there will be natural consequences for those who caused it. I would like to warn them in advance, that there will be an overwflowing well of anger at them, for leading this nation on the path to self-destruction. They should consider this, and think about their actions, if not out of a love for their nation, than for their own longevity.
My intent is only to warn, in order to try to turn the ship called America away from the rocks that are directly ahead. Part of that warning must perforce be a warning to those presently steering the ship toward the rocks, that the passengers will not forget who drove the ship onto the rocks and ultimate destruction. Those steering the ship must understand that there will be consequences to their current misnavigation: they will be remembered. Not by me, or any particular individual. I'm nothing, one voice in the tempest. They will be remembered by the millions of Americans who lose their lands and family members, fighting a civil war that should never have had to be fought, where one side is literally being imported in advance to fight it.
There is still time to turn the ship, but I fear that nobody on the bridge is watching the radar or listening to the lookouts.
We live in interesting times, and I wish we did not.
Matt Bracken/Travis McGee
The word "president" should not be capitalized in this context.
MM
I hope this doesn't turn out that way, but it's exactly why they're raising all this ruckus.
MM
Some people look at what could lay in store for our country if this invasion isn't stopped and turned around and it's not going to be pretty. Some face that possible reality while others scoff and deny it.
Reality bites. Fantasy kills!
Maybe FR is starting to go through it's death throes. Has it outlived its usefulness as a conservative media? I don't post very often, but lurk daily and have noticed a more PC trend over the past few years. There are many here who will take offense instantly if any of the current administration is called to be held accountable for their decisions. Are we in fact becoming a nation of lemmings who will blindly follow someone who merely wears the banner of conservative? I would invite all who run this board to look to the future and see what is in store for this nation and then ask themselves if they want to be relevant or simply stand on the corner and watch the parade pass them by.
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