Didn't I Ping This Already? Ping!
Posted on 04/03/2006 2:33:51 PM PDT by peyton randolph
...In other words, the Senate will act on the following logic: In order to have fewer immigrants, we must admit more of them. In order to halt illegal immigration, we must legalize it. And in order to enforce the law, we must reward those who have broken it...
This immigrant competition has hit black Americans especially hard. A recent New York Times report pointed out, "In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20s were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts."...
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The longer an illegal has been a criminal, the more priority he/she gets.
Now there's logic for you.
I wonder if it has occurred to them that if enough unhappy people from both parties vote independent- it will change the whole picture?
The Senate, and in particular Specter, Kennedy and McCain, are playing "bait and switch." A majority of people in this country are fed up and have been demanding the government do something to get the border back under control. What the Senate is saying, at this point, is "while we're getting the border under control, we'll enact comprehensive immigration control," wink, wink, nudge nudge, that means allowing in an extra 35 million or so, legally over the next 10 years whether or not the border control provisions work, which they won't. What the Senate should do, if Frist and his allies had any guts, is pass a border security bill like the House did and face down the traitors like Kennedy and all the whiners carrying around Mexican flags. The argument that they can't do anything to secure the borders without a huge amnesty and guest worker program stinks to high heaven. But they're not ashamed to make it. And now John Kerry is speaking in the Senate on C-span, as if my day wasn't bad enough already.
Time for CIVIL DEFENSE.
BTW, a poster on another immigration thread who perports to be living in Mexico is complaining about some of the reciprocal rewards. It seems that some wives are receiving the gift of AIDS from their returning men.
You know, most of the ones I have known have been hard working people, just like I keep hearing the illegal immigrants are.
susie
I know it's an uphill battle, but it seems the time might be ripe for a REAL 3rd party (that would eventually take the place of one of the 2 current big parties).
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The problem with a third party is there have never been enough people in it to stand a chance of beating the original two. Nobody wants to waste their vote so they hold their nose and vote for the best of the two .
Its getting so the stench from the Two parties is so strong even holding the nose wont do. There isnt a decent candidate running in either party that has yet been named.
Yeah, I understand that problem, I've been doing the same myself. However, I think there were other parties before that were replaced by a third. My memory may not be correct, but I beleive it's so. Would love to hear someone who knows explain how it happened. I think the time is ripe, as people on both sides of the aisle are not happy....
susie
I am not into political history, but of course there have been other parties the Whigs come to mind and Teddy roosevelt was a Bull Moose party man, but they didnt last long, If it hadnt been for Teddy they wouldnt have lasted at all. It would take a strong and well known man to start a new party with any hopes of winning.
Maybe Bill Clinton could do it and call it the El Producto Blunt party LOL.
No, unfortunately, it wouldn't. You can't vote independent in the abstract. You must vote for human beings. Organized policial parties vary somewhat from state to state, but in most there is no organized Independent Party. In fact, if there were an organized political party that called itself "Independent," anyone who joined it would, by definition, no longer be truly independent politically speaking.
This means that even if you register as an independent, when you go to the polls you'll need to vote for someone from one of the organized political parties.
In general, your choices are limited to:
Republican
Democrat
Libertarian
Green
Constitution
Natural Law
Conservative (in New York State only, I believe)
Communist
There may be a minority party I've missed, but you get the point. Something around 96% to 98% of Americans who go to the polls vote for Democrats and Republicans.
The only practical way to have even a remote chance to change this dynamic would be if considerably more than 50% of the American electorate could be convinced to change their registration from any organized party to independent. That way, the two dominant parties could no longer make assumptions based on the number of registered voters they have district to district and state to state. Polling firms would be forced to come up with a different model, one that is not primarily based on the number of Democrats vs. Republicans.
Of course you are right, but wouldn't it be great if We the People really could set these arrogant self-serving asses on their heels!
It would be wonderful. Theoretically, we can do just that. The problem is that we would need to do it together and in huge numbers.
Well, I think originally there was the Democratic party and the Federalists (were they a party?). The Republicans didn't happen until the 1850s (anti slavery platform, I think). I don't know what the other party in the 1850s was tho, and I'm not sure how to google that.
susie
You can't count on people unless it affects their recreation. What did you have in mind?
I don't have anything in mind, but was writing rhetorically in response to your comment about how great it would be of We the People could do something.
In other words, this theory is incorrect and believing we have any choice is for the most part a giant pipe dream.
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