Posted on 04/02/2006 10:30:41 PM PDT by kellynla
Imagine that you came home tomorrow and found a stranger living in your home. Would you pay $148 to have him removed, or would you instead just legally adopt him and give him the run of the place to save the $148? The Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington, D.C., thinks the “practical” thing to do would be adopt the “undocumented family member” that broke into your home.
At least, that is what I can extrapolate from the report they released last week purporting to document the true cost of deporting –rather than amnestying-- the 10 million illegal aliens that have smuggled themselves into our homeland over the past two decades. According to the study, which was dutifully reported by the Washington Post and others, it would cost the Federal Government $41 billion per year over the next five years to take the “draconian” step of actually enforcing our immigration laws.
Let’s pretend, for just a moment, that the ghost of the bloody Greek King Dracon is not laughing hysterically at the idea that being deported home in an air-conditioned bus is now considered “draconian.” And while we’re in fantasyland, let us also pretend that the $41 billion per year figure is even remotely accurate. The Federal Government has an annual budget of $2.34 trillion per year. Our Gross Domestic Product is a staggering $12 trillion per year. $41 billion would be just 1.7% of the Federal budget, and a miniscule 0.34% of our GDP.
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The point is that the quote, " "All we need is enough railroad cars and enough will.", can be easily and rightly construed as as something akin to 1940's nazi action and rhetoric.
Or are you going to tell me that the nazi's didn't round up Jews in railroad cars.
Also I am for a guest worker program but with no path to citizenship. If they want citizenship they have to go to the back of the line as stated in the Kyl/Cornyn bill.
So you are "assuming" the nazis didn't say or do, "What we need is enough will and railroad cars".
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
You ask, "Whatever happened to calls for reasonable growth in order to save this planet? Boy has their tune changed.' I have no way to prove it, but I suspect that, having suceeded in getting advanced countries to control their birthrate, they think we are better off with immigrants than babies. I, on the other hand, think it would have been better for us, if we had had more children to do the work. In the long run, immigrants will be more problematic.
Why wouldn't the gov't confiscate illegals property to pay for it?
Unlawful gains.
Why wouldn't the gov't confiscate the hiring parties property to pay for it?
Visit a prostitute and lose your car, hire an illegal lose your truck.
You said, "Of course, the various government agencies in your area would be delighted". I think they would also get more money from the feds on a per capita basis. That's why, I think, mayors want to keep and naturalize their illegal populations.
YOU SAY, "Mexico is a very corrupt country ." Now, I think that is the question. By allowing illegal immigration are we importaing a disrespect for law and order that underlies that corruption. When barbarians overran the Roman empire they destroyed the very civilization they envied, because they didn't understand it or share its values. Americans are very law abiding and are the most tax compliant, but are Mexicans?
"America can not depend on the legal dregs of society for maintenance of the economy." I think we would be better off to un-dreg some Americans and get them working. Do somemore welfare reform, get prisoners picking fruits and vegetables, rehab some drug addicts etc.
You made that up and got it backwards. Elites like amnesty. The low income people who actually compete with illegals hate it.
.... I think we would be better off to un-dreg some Americans .....
A noble thought, but the war on poverty is in it's thirty somethingth year with out success. The programs initiated to do what you suggest are corroded tokens to remind us of the failure.
that is partly become they have become jobs programs for democrats and never had the job of un-dreging.
Neither. I'd plug him with a 25 cent bullet, then bury him deep in Federal land.
That would be the red laser light special.
They'd pay their own way.
Charter themselves a bus for a three day weekend. Show their pay stubs to be checked, get photographed and fingerprinted at the INS office in Mexico. Back at work on Monday.
The unemployed and criminal will have to be dealt with by the police anyway.
Absolutely, the worst mistake of America since slavery was to convince baby boomers not to have children.
"Look, if illegals were as disasterous as you say, taxes here would be lower."
I don't see any basis for saying that. I really don't. Taxes are more often than not driven by demands for public services; infrastructure; schools; prisons. More people = more demands, within some undeterminable limits. By that I mean that if the population of an area declined dramtically, I seriously doubt taxes would decline proportionally.
"Instead, they're higher and the cost of living here, except for real estate prices, is actually higher than Los Angeles. There isn't as much competition because there are fewer customers, so the crummy local market is more expensive than Gelson's was in California."
That's not taxes , that's the number of people who shop at stores, their customer base. Gelson's is a premium market, and here in So. Cal, folks get a kick out of paying a lot for their groceries there. I don't shop there myself, but folks are free to shop wherever they want, and if they weren't willing to pay Gelson's fat prices, Gelson's would adjust or close. An apples to apples comparison would be a run-of-the-mill Safeway or an Albertson's with whatever large grocery chain exists in Pitts, whose name(s) I do not know offhand.
"There are certainly bad effects of illegals, but I think there are positive impacts too, that you are all ignoring. I think that many of you hate illegals so much that you're blind to the good things about the cultural mix."
I am against the creation of or the fostering of a class of people exempt from the law. Period. I don't care if they are Wall St. weasels, bank robbers, corporate CEOs or illegal aliens. It's a behavior, not a race thing.
"In California, we had bad government services long before there were illegals. I just find it absurd that we blame problems on illegals instead of trying to fix problems that are often our fault and predate illegals by a long, long time."
Should we try to solve problems caused by greedy teachers unions and a shoddily run unified school district, or should we just shrug our shoulders, say "It's all illegals' fault!" and let them run amok?
Let WHO run amok, teachers or illegals? Why isn't there any onus on the Mexican gov't to fix their problems, the problems that cause the tidal wave of folks to come here? The onus is all on us = our gov't = the taxpayers = you and I. That is precisely the problem. I understand that problems often seek out the people most able to to handle them, but I am exceptionally unhappy about having to solve the problems of others for very few, IMO, gains. I've evaluated the benefits of illegals. There are some. To me, they flat out do not outweigh the societal burdens of dealing with such large numbers of them, never mind the idea that a class of folks exempt from obeying the law is now prepared and quite willing to demand special consideration in any number of areas, ALL of which, as far as I can see, are net negatives.
When the levees broke in New Orleans, and water poured into the streets and homes, we have seen how catastrophes such as this ought to be fixed.
First, those in charge needed to immediately *stop* the flow from coming in. FIX the pourous levees.
Second, begin to suck the water as quickly as possible from the streets, returning it to the other side of the wall.
Third, begin the long process of repair and recovery incurred by the intrusive water.
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