10,000+ ON THE MARCH (illegals say walls won't keep them out)

NY POST ^ | April 2, 2006 | DOUGLAS MONTERO and LORENA MONGELLI

[Liz]

A roiling sea of immigrants - many of them in the country illegally - and their supporters poured across the Brooklyn Bridge and into Manhattan yesterday to protest what they call "oppressive" reform measures currently under consideration in Congress.

Marchers, waving flags from Mexico, Colombia, Honduras and El Salvador, chanted and carried signs recalling America's roots during the demonstration, organized by state Sen. Ruben Diaz, a Bronx Democrat and native of Puerto Rico.

"That flag on top of the Brooklyn Bridge is symbolic because all these other flags, all these other nations, are covered by the USA," declared Ismael Claudio, 35, also a native Puerto Rican and therefore a U.S. citizen.

In the House, legislation already has passed that would set penalties for anyone who knowingly assists or encourages an illegal immigrant to remain in the country.

The Senate may adopt a broader bill that would be less punitive, create a guest-worker program and open a path to citizenship for the estimated 11M immigrants now in the country without proper papers.

As they trekked over the bridge, demonstrators carried signs proclaiming, "Did the pilgrims need green cards?"

Patricia Urgules, 35, of Ecuador, said......"I came here in search of the American Dream - the dream to be free, to be treated equally," she said. "We only ask for those basic principles this country was founded on."

Construction worker Eduardo Segundo, 40, of Harlem, scoffs at the notion, mentioned by Mayor Bloomberg last week, of a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border.

He recalled sneaking across the border 12 years ago - and said 20 of his and his wife's relatives now live in the United States. ".....The wall that they build will not work. People will just figure out a way to cross."

[reformedliberal]

Years ago, I got to know a woman who was a member of one of the Mexican elite families. IIRC, her father worked as an executive for some large multinational that used to be American. I also got to know her brothers, all of whom could have been cast in any WWII movie as SS officers. Very Aryan.

The elites in Mexico will not just allow us to take over their personal fiefdom. Never in a million years. They will wage guerrilla and economic war and they are very serious about protecting their privilege. They even speak patronizingly of their cousins who are camposinos and have blue eyes and whom they are delighted to export away from their own very comfortable homes

[TAdams8591]

Agreed.

It's like people illegally breaking into my home, insisting they are going to stay (without my permission), and then demanding the same rights I have in my own home. Ludicrous.

That illegals have the GAUL to be so forceful and aggressive about "rights" when they do not even have the RIGHT to be in this country, is ominous for the future of America.

[SheLion]

When Proposition 187 was blocked by the Rats and RINOs, it acted as a green light. The flow became a flood.

This is all Fox News has been talking about today.  This and Jill Carroll.

Brian just said that an AP Poll states that "54%" of American's support illegal amnesty!  What???  I sure didn't vote in that poll.  But 54% support it????  They sure aren't coming from Free Republic, are they!

[SheLion]

It's like people illegally breaking into my home, insisting they are going to stay (without my permission), and then demanding the same rights I have in my own home. Ludicrous.

That illegals have the GAUL to be so forceful and aggressive about "rights" when they do not even have the RIGHT to be in this country, is ominous for the future of America.

I am totally pissed about the paying for the health care for all these illegals, and our lawmakers are blaming obese and smoking American's.  What a cover up.  And I am totally upset over their blatant lies.  And I am sick and tired of hearing how our health care is going up.  Is it any wonder????

[Strzelec]

I believe that, with a little thought and patience, much can be done. However, most people don't feel illegal immigration is a problem unless they are personally affected by it. And by "personally affected", I mean (1) their physical security is threatened, and/or (2) their financial security is threatened.

Personally, I view my job as being two-fold; first, lead by example by getting my own house in order (i.e. cut my own grass, clean my own house, avoid knowingly supporting companies and other that hire illegal aliens), and second, "educating" my neighbors and acquaintances about the effects of illegal immigration on their security.

The second part is real fun! I try to be subtle and avoid being in their face. For example, I cut my own grass, and I try to time it when the neighbors are out and about. I do a pretty good job, and I sometimes get asked why I don't hire it out. I take this as an opportunity to do some "educating". After explaining that I like the healthy outdoor exercise, I casually drop a comment about some "security concerns" I have about using non-bonded help around the house. This usually leads to a conversation along the lines of "I'm sure your maid Maria is very nice and wouldn't do anything wrong, but who knows who she talks to about what she sees in your home...to me, it's not worth the 50 bucks a month to have to worry about a break in". Gets some of the neighbors thinking - I've noticed they've either started to do the work themselves, or are using bonded services.

Won't bore you with how I operate at community meetings when topics touching on illegal immigration comes up - suffice to say, I like to make innocent comments as if the Reconquista was an accomplished fact. For example, after some particularly outrageous pandering by a couple of pols I asked a "procedural" question about when (not if) the local schools would be required to teach Spanish to all students, and what other subjects would be dropped to accommodate this. Got some dirty looks - and some surprised ones, too. It's obvious for some folks this was the first time they considered the negative ramifications of illegal immigration.

Bottom line to me? These "clashes of civilizations" have been going on since the first two groups of humans moved within spittin' distance of each other. Their will always be groups pushing their agendas - we will just have to learn how to effectively push back.

[TAdams8591]

There are latin channels on regular TV channels as well.

I receive two of them and I don't have cable.

[Old_Mil]

The truly ugly truth of the matter is that none of this would be happening if the Democrats weren't trying to backstab President Bush at every chance they get in this time of war.

The ugly truth of the matter is that President Bush, John McCain, and Ted Kennedy are of one mind on this issue. If members of the Nazi party in Germany had the foresight to look beyond party loyalty in the 1930s and do what was good for the nation, one of the world's bloodiest wars could have been avoided.

If the Reagan wing of the Republican party and the labor wing of the Democratic party can look beyond traditional party affiliations and unite for the good of the nation against the globalists and race merchants, something truly remarkable will happen.

[TAdams8591]

Sometimes it's press TWO for English, even worse.

[Old_Mil]

Brian just said that an AP Poll states that "54%" of American's support illegal amnesty! What??? I sure didn't vote in that poll. But 54% support it????

...sure, if by Americans you mean 20 people in Los Angeles.

[Sweetjustusnow]

"... this invasion of that many people has sinister overtones, I asked the ques before what are the true reasons over 12 million mass of humanity has invaded our Country."

See the Council on Foreign Relations and their plan of a unified North America by 2010.

[TAdams8591]

"The fact that they are making NO attempt to learn English is most telling. They think they don't have to...it is THEIR land."

Not only that, some Hispanics think we are obligated to learn and communicate with them in Spanish.

[Strzelec]

I believe that, with a little thought and patience, much can be done. However, most people don't feel illegal immigration is a problem unless they are personally affected by it. And by "personally affected", I mean (1) their physical security is threatened, and/or (2) their financial security is threatened.

Personally, I view my job as being two-fold; first, lead by example by getting my own house in order (i.e. cut my own grass, clean my own house, avoid knowingly supporting companies and other that hire illegal aliens), and second, "educating" my neighbors and acquaintances about the effects of illegal immigration on their security.

The second part is real fun! I try to be subtle and avoid being in their face. For example, I cut my own grass, and I try to time it when the neighbors are out and about. I do a pretty good job, and I sometimes get asked why I don't hire it out. I take this as an opportunity to do some "educating". After explaining that I like the healthy outdoor exercise, I casually drop a comment about some "security concerns" I have about using non-bonded help around the house. This usually leads to a conversation along the lines of "I'm sure your maid Maria is very nice and wouldn't do anything wrong, but who knows who she talks to about what she sees in your home...to me, it's not worth the 50 bucks a month to have to worry about a break in". Gets some of the neighbors thinking - I've noticed they've either started to do the work themselves, or are using bonded services.

Won't bore you with how I operate at community meetings when topics touching on illegal immigration comes up - suffice to say, I like to make innocent comments as if the Reconquista was an accomplished fact. For example, after some particularly outrageous pandering by a couple of pols I asked a "procedural" question about when (not if) the local schools would be required to teach Spanish to all students, and what other subjects would be dropped to accommodate this. Got some dirty looks - and some surprised ones, too. It's obvious for some folks this was the first time they considered the negative ramifications of illegal immigration.

Bottom line to me? These "clashes of civilizations" have been going on since the first two groups of humans moved within spittin' distance of each other. Their will always be groups pushing their agendas - we will just have to learn how to effectively push back.

[SheLion]

Sometimes it's press TWO for English, even worse.

You are right.  Nothing like being made to feel like a second hand citizen, eh?

[Strzelec]

Moderator - please pull my post 132 (unintentional double post). Little computer problem - now fixed.

[truemiester]

I've been meaning to get a mini-gun for the van.

[TAdams8591]

"I am totally pissed about the paying for the health care for all these illegals, and our lawmakers are blaming obese and smoking American's. What a cover up. And I am totally upset over their blatant lies. And I am sick and tired of hearing how our health care is going up."

How right you are. But health care costs are skyrocketing because of BOTH illegal and LEGAL immigrants. Many LEGAL immigrants are UNEMPLOYED and their health care costs are paid by the state as well.

[FreeReign]

-Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

(My Underline)

Clarifying the above underlined paraphrase of Section 1325, the exact cite of 1325 specficially says fine and/or imprisonment.

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com |US Code, Title 8, Section 1325 | Excerpt:... fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both...

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[TAdams8591]

Oh, the stories I could tell you, She, LOL!

[FreeReign]

In all my life I haven't felt my country has been so immediately threatened...

We had high rates of illegal immigration in the 80's and 90's. The problem goes back even before that. It's 2006 and now you're threatened.

[Jason_b]

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