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Policy, security & illegals
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | April 2, 2006 | Salena Zito

Posted on 04/01/2006 9:19:44 PM PST by serendepitylives

Policy, security & illegals By Salena Zito TRIBUNE-REVIEW Sunday, April 2, 2006

Brace yourselves, folks.

The single most defining domestic issue for the midterm elections and beyond -- immigration reform -- is up for political debate and it won't be pretty.

Left in the cold is the average American, who just wants to know the doors to his country are locked when he goes to bed.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Louisiana; US: Massachusetts; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; delay; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; kennedy; mccain; mccainkennedy; tancredo; tedkennedy
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To: CowboyJay
Nonsense.

I know. I was being facetious.

Just pay what the jobs are actually worth. Americans will do anything (and I do mean anything) if the price is right.

I believe that, but if some people have their way cheap labor will continue to be imported.

21 posted on 04/02/2006 5:34:22 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: serendepitylives

Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!

IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!


President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!

Start building the fence.

It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.


22 posted on 04/02/2006 5:37:09 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO")
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To: Dane
Well that has always been the way of America. The Irish, Jews, Italians, Polish etc.etc all came and filled the menial jobs and hoped for a better life for their children. It's American history.

My grandparents came here legally circa 1900. How about yours? Were they illegal aliens?
23 posted on 04/02/2006 5:37:29 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: Dane

Enjoy 4-8 years of Hitlery, and know that YOU helped make it happen.

Cheers.


24 posted on 04/02/2006 5:38:43 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: CowboyJay
Enjoy 4-8 years of Hitlery, and know that YOU helped make it happen.

LOL! You trolls are so transparent.

25 posted on 04/02/2006 5:40:08 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

hey ! Dane's back !


26 posted on 04/02/2006 5:41:52 PM PDT by catroina54
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To: dennisw
My grandparents came here legally circa 1900. How about yours? Were they illegal aliens?

On one side my Grandparents came over on the boat in the early 1900's, on the other side I think it goes back to the 1600's.

27 posted on 04/02/2006 5:41:54 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
Hey Dane, how many illegals are sitting back relaxing in subsidized housing (section 8 and such)receiving medicaid/medicare & SS checks....???? Bet it's greater, far greater than the 7,500 employees that GM is paying. Following your shallow logic, this proves that illegals really don't want to work... ;^)

Give your strawman arguments a rest.

28 posted on 04/02/2006 5:49:10 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Hey Dane, how many illegals are sitting back relaxing in subsidized housing (section 8 and such)receiving medicaid/medicare & SS checks....???? Bet it's greater, far greater than the 7,500 employees that GM is paying. Following your shallow logic, this proves that illegals really don't want to work... ;^)

Give your strawman arguments a rest.

Have no idea, but it probably is less than the # of katrina evacuaees who refuse to go back and rebuild their city, even though the jobs are good paying.

29 posted on 04/02/2006 5:51:05 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
The Irish, Jews, Italians, Polish etc.etc all came and filled the menial jobs and...

I think you're leaving out the part that most folks object to. Immigration is not what so many are against as your post connotes.

30 posted on 04/02/2006 5:53:40 PM PDT by Principled
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To: serendepitylives

The politicians in DC have put the cart before the horse so many times, they forgot which horse is pulling the wagon.


31 posted on 04/02/2006 5:53:48 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Don't mess with Texas.)
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To: Dane
"Enjoy 4-8 years of Hitlery, and know that YOU helped make it happen. LOL! You trolls are so transparent."

Care to make a wager?

32 posted on 04/02/2006 7:04:33 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: serendepitylives
If we give these 11 to 20 million some type of legal status will they then be able to bring in their relatives as suggested on Bill O'Reilly?
That could bring the number's of invaders up to 100 million in a very short time.
Does anyone have information on that?
33 posted on 04/02/2006 7:12:03 PM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Dane
Good Lord...we've been through this argument before. Thank you...for posting another strawman argument.

No, the majority of Katrian evacuaees aren't going all the way back to New Oreleans to try a rebuild what they had there. And who can possibly blame them..??? I wouldn't either, and even an idiot could see why.

The environmental issues alone make the prospect of returning to re-establish residency there a high risk proposition. Most of the disaster area remains toxic cesspool, with the EPA struggling to do what it can to make some sort of headway. All sorts of environmental clean-up regulations have been waived just so they clean out part of the garbage and debris. This will be biggest, most difficult and costliest undertaking in the EPA's history.

Tell me, if you were a parent that had lived in the city prior to the disaster, would you actually move back there just so your kids could grow up in an area as contaminated as it is now...? I sure as hell wouldn't risk the health of my kids.

Once more there is probably at least a one in three chance of a comparable storm hitting the area again within the next ten to fifteen years. What's the point of trying to move back to try and rebuild if another Katrian-style disaster is going to strike again?

Here's one more financial incentive not to move back: can you imagine what the new flood/disaster insurance premiums are going to be like for homes and businesses(in the post-Katrina era) that try to rebuild in N.O. ??

These former residents have obviously exercised prudent judgement in trying to establish their new live elsewhere and don't need anyone, including you, second guessing their decisions. Personally I think they have suffered enough without some imbecile trying to accuse them of "laziness".

34 posted on 04/02/2006 7:24:27 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: CowboyJay
Care to make a wager?

On what, that you are a troll or that hillary will win in 08?

I'll take both, since hillary may not even get the nomination in 08.

35 posted on 04/03/2006 5:13:40 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Cyropaedia
No, the majority of Katrian evacuaees aren't going all the way back to New Oreleans to try a rebuild what they had there. And who can possibly blame them..??? I wouldn't either, and even an idiot could see why.

Fine they don't have to move back, but why should the taxpayers have to pay for their staying on welfare and or new house somewhere else.

36 posted on 04/03/2006 5:15:27 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

I see...welfare is only for immigrants....


37 posted on 04/03/2006 6:02:46 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
I see...welfare is only for immigrants...

So you are ok with Katrina evacuees living off the govt. teet.

Me, I'm for trying to make sure nobody(immigrants and native born alike) makes a "living" off welfare.

38 posted on 04/03/2006 6:05:30 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

It has been SOP for the government to help residents who lost everything in anatural disaster. It would be foolish to suddenly stope now with regards to worst natural disaster of our generation. If the public levees had actually been built correctly in the first place (able to withstand above a Category 3 hurricane) it would have been a different story. So in one respect, the "State" let the public down. Or so one could say. Not necessarily my opinion...but I think that argument can be made.


39 posted on 04/03/2006 6:35:45 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: HiJinx
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


40 posted on 04/03/2006 9:19:56 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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