Illegal aliens didn't build U.S.

Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | March 29, 2006 | Jack Markowitz

[TAdams8591]

Marking.

[hedgetrimmer]

The only real debate is whether to legalise the immigrants without making them reenter legally

The only real debate is what to do with the politicians and bureaucrats who are fomenting insurrection and willfully ignore constiutional mandates to defend our borders and uphold the rule of law.

[Dane]

I'll admit they exist. Does this mean illegals are good or bad?

When did you Todd become APFel, per reply #157?

[lemura]

What is with these posters who believe citizens are not willing to perform these types of jobs? Is there no one here who remembers working all summer long during high school/college as a construction laborer, field worker, etc?

The simple fact of the matter is, due to the physical nature of thee work, these types of jobs have at most a 5 year cycle. That's why in the 'olden' days (pre-illegals), people between 18-25 were to be found toiling away outside in the hot sun. (Also why you could suck down a six-pack at the end of the day without gaining any weight.)

Illegals are not supermen - they also get burnt out and can no longer work the same jobs as they age. They themselves are trapped because younger illegals coming over the border displace them in the next cycle. But since they have no other marketable skills, don't know the language, etc, they can't move up the value chain. Instead, they become a drag on the economy as they consume increased social services.

What we have no is very similar to Dickensian England, where absent child labor laws, business owners just cycled through each generation of youngsters. Take a look at the political rationale behind banning child labor - business owners were foisting their broken employees on the backs of society, just as they are doing today with illegals.

[JCEccles]

The employers can get away with paying the illegals a fraction of what legal workers would get.

It depends on the work. In my state illegals working in construction make between $12 and $20 per hour--a competitive wage. Their employers come off fat because they can shove the external costs of the labor onto taxpayers.

The illegals put their kids into the public schools at no cost to them, and they use the hospitals and clinics for free or heavily subsidized medical care. They may live in cramped conditions, but are still far better off than they would be in Mexico. Compared to how they were living in the corrupt socialist hellhole they came from, they are in living in paradise here.

Still, when their position is finally secure (amnesty) you can expect them to demand with a vengeance that they be paid what fully legal residents would get paid, complete with benefits. Employers will just hire new undocumented illegal aliens to perform the work that the "legal" amnestos are demanding to be paid higher wages for. Then we'll not only be stuck with the amnestos, but with a new subculture of Mexican workers. Meanwhile all the children of the amnestos will remain to become a permanent part of the socialist left.

[Dane]

What is with these posters who believe citizens are not willing to perform these types of jobs? Is there no one here who remembers working all summer long during high school/college as a construction laborer, field worker, etc?

That was a time now called BO(Before Oprah).

[Dane]

The employers can get away with paying the illegals a fraction of what legal workers would get

And you know this how?

You don't run a real business do you, but pretend you do on FR, IMO.

[JCEccles]

Speaking of reality, let's talk about your free energy 30 million illegal alien vegetable picking machine. How does that work again?

[hinckley buzzard]

Exactly. This article is so right on the mark. Illegals in fact do few essential jobs, and those that they do perform should be paid accordingly--which means Americans and legal immigrants will be available. Irresponsible suburbanites will have to do without their maids and lawn feeders and pool boys--cry me a river. Hotels can pay a few bucks more and hire citizens who need the work to do the housekeeping. Agribusiness can actually earn its profits by sound business practices rather than ripping off the system by paying illegals a pittance.

[Toddsterpatriot]

When did you Todd become APFel, per reply #157?

I did not. I entered the thread late and wonder what teachers unions and lawyers had to do with illegals. I guess nothing.

[Dane]

Speaking of reality, let's talk about your free energy 30 million illegal alien vegetable picking machine. How does that work again?

Uh you still haven't acknowledged the reality of unions or trial lawyers.

[1rudeboy]

Something about foreign apples and oranges. Seeing that this thread is ostensibly about illegal aliens, maybe . . .
I just thought of a slogan. "Put illegals out of work. Buy foreign produce."

[Dane]

I did not. I entered the thread late and wonder what teachers unions and lawyers had to do with illegals. I guess nothing

They do, but given these threads, it's almost true tin foil with the rhetoric that gets thrown around.

[JCEccles]

That wasn't my comment, Dane. It was an extracted comment but was missing italics. You'd know that if you would occasionally disengage your mouth and allow your brain to spin up and engage in critical reading and thinking.

[Dane]

Something about foreign apples and oranges. Seeing that this thread is ostensibly about illegal aliens, maybe . . . I just thought of a slogan. "Put illegals out of work. Buy foreign produce."

That is what IW was saying earlier in this thread.

[Dane]

That wasn't my comment, Dane. It was an extracted comment but was missing italics. You'd know that if you would occasionally disengage your mouth and allow your brain to spin up and engage in critical reading and thinking

Sheesh can't you just admit that teacher unions and trial lawyers exist.

Just watch the commercials during the jerry springer show.

[Toddsterpatriot]

I just thought of a slogan. "Put illegals out of work. Buy foreign produce."

Good one!! I wonder if the reason why Willie and his posse are so grumpy is that they're constipated? They can't eat American produce (picked by foreigners) or foreign produce (picked by foreigners, giving foreigners profits).

[tertiary01]

Why do you never rant about the evils of Mexico that force your beloved little peons to risk their precious lives coming to the land of gringos in needs of cheap lettuce and lawn care.

[Dane]

Why do you never rant about the evils of Mexico that force your beloved little peons to risk their precious lives coming to the land of gringos in needs of cheap lettuce and lawn care.

I have many times on FR, but some loudmouths would rather focus on people named Jose doing such "evil" things such as mowing lawns, building buildings, or pick vegeatbles as their focus on what is wrong.

[JCEccles]

You remind me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer and Newman are recruiting a homeless man to pull a rickshaw. The recruit listens to their pitch, salutes and says, "Potato salad!"

They were talking rickshaws, and he responds "Potato salad!"

Here we're talking about your great free energy 30 million illegal alien vegetable picking machine and you respond "Trial attorneys!"

Why you don't drag out your old standby argument, the racist strawman and kick it around the room for awhile? It at least has the virtue of being based on flawed logic rather than no logic.