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To: Dane
When did you Todd become APFel, per reply #157?

I did not. I entered the thread late and wonder what teachers unions and lawyers had to do with illegals. I guess nothing.

170 posted on 04/01/2006 9:23:51 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I did not. I entered the thread late and wonder what teachers unions and lawyers had to do with illegals. I guess nothing

They do, but given these threads, it's almost true tin foil with the rhetoric that gets thrown around.

173 posted on 04/01/2006 9:26:21 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; BamaGirl; Dane

Teachers' unions and lawyers really have nothing to do with the issue, but most Freepers regard them with fear & loathing so they make nice `straw-men' for anyone lacking any substantive reasons for opposing enforcement of our immigration laws.
If someone were to make substantive arguments about changing our immigration laws, they would involve such things as, including but not limited to: federal and state minimum wage and overtime laws and occupational safety and health acts; the so-called `Family and Medical Leave' Act (which lumps pregnancy in with such things as a terminal illness); `Equal Employment Opportunity' laws; and, child labor laws.
If Mexican workers were legal immigrants employers would not be able to browbeat them into accepting working conditions that Okies endured in the `30s when such laws did not exist. (Not all of Steinbeck's `Grapes of Wrath' was artistic license)
Our current immigration policy with Mexico erodes any respect illegal aliens may have for all our laws because the immigration laws are not enforced.
They could change the laws, those mentioned above as well as our immigration quota from Mexico to increase the number of immigrants we accept from Mexico, but then employers would have to treat them like people rather than livestock.
The first act Mexicans commit sneaking into our country is to break our laws, but the Bush administration actually believes these poor campesinos will pay a $1000 fine, leave the US, then come back, then pay another $1000 fine, over a period of years, et cetera.
So you've got Democrats afraid of reducing the nanny state and business interests afraid of losing cheap, hard-working labor.
Either change the laws or enforce them, but in any event pitch the `Alicia in Wonderland' amnesty stuff: It sounds like a brainstorm thought up by the same people who came up with Hillary's national health care plan.


189 posted on 04/01/2006 9:57:44 AM PST by tumblindice ("Not `chicano' or `latino'--call us Mexicans." . . . . OK, Mexicans--go back to Mexico.)
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