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The Root Cause (Illegal Immigration's Apologists Depantsed)
my own thoughts ^ | 03/31/2006 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 03/31/2006 4:42:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne

Illegal immigration is recognized by many U.S. Citizens to be a threat to our nation. It's is a balkanizing process. It disrupts communities. It places financial strain on regions of our nation. It costs our nation tens of billions of dollars a year, if not hundreds. It is destroying our health care system. It disrupts the education system financially and in the teaching process due to language problems. It can place English speaking children at a disadvantage, in that spanish children receive elevated resources while English speaking kids take a back seat in the early years. There are problems of serious crime, multiple identities and recidivism.

These are serious issues, but let's ignore them. Remember, the apologists for illegal immigrants do it all the time. For once lets join them. (temporarily)

Right now lets spend a few moments exploring the number one rationalization for allowing the United States to be invaded and over-run by another nation's populace.

And what is that rationalization? Well of course, it's the "fact" that Mexicans only want a chance to earn a living for their families.

Think about that for a moment. You and I are being asked to allow our nation to be over-run, our language replaced, our neighbor's job and possibly your own given to a foreign national. We are being asked to pay their children's education. We are being asked to give them free health care. We are being asked to accept hospitals having to reduce services across the board, in order to recoup the expenditures for which hospitals are not reimbursed. Not only do you pay for illegal aliens health care, your own is being savaged in the process. You may not think so. That's okay. It is. All of this is asked, or more accurately demanded of you and I. We have very little choice.

I have never read an article about starvation in Mexico. I have never read of children being taken to mass orphanages because parents couldn't support them. I have never seen expansive stories about homelessness. Although Tijuana's cardboard city is legendary, people seem to be able to survive over there. I don't like the fact that Mexico's government allows this, but I am powerless to do anything about it. Trashing my own nation is not an option as far as I am concerned.

Look, I don't like homeless people on the streets of Los Angeles, but I'm not going to invite ten of them into my house to fix it. The United States is your and my house.

What I see is a massive number of people who wanted to live a better life, and decided to take that life from us. As your tax dollars go to pay for these people, that is exactly what is happening. They are taking from us. Lets be clear about this. These folks were not dying. They were not in danger of losing their family. They were not in danger of starving. What we are talking about, is a bunch of people who wanted a better life. That's it. That's all it amounted to.

How about you folks? It's all relative. I mean you're not dying. You're not in danger of losing your family. You're not in danger of starving. What we are talking about here is a better life. Do you want a better life? That's it. That's all we're talking about here.

Under the current policy of the United States, foreign nationals are entitled to a better life. Unless we're a racist nation, U.S. Citizens should be entitled to a better life also. As we have seen, breaking laws is an approved method of achieving a better life. It's okay for people to break into our nation. People can work in violation of U.S. laws. People are entitled to free health care for their whole family, and all children are entitled to a free education. That this can be achieved is proof positive that crime does pay, and all it takes to justify this is that you want a better life for you and your family.

This is rather liberating. I've wanted a new home for quite some time. Tomorrow morning I can go outside, take one look at the beautiful day, get in my car and go shopping. By tomorrow evening I'll have picked out a great new house, where I plan to move in. I'll pack up and move in on the following day. The next day I'll pick out a new car on the local dealer's lot and demand the keys. If I show up at the door, they'll have to serve me. Our current health care polices for illegal immigrants have proven that.

If I want more income, I'll just go to the local bank and have one of my kids walk up to the teller and demand $100,000. After all, the children of illegal immigrants are given a $100,000 education for free. When that runs out, I make certain to have had another kid who can walk up to the teller.

You know, this illegal immigration thing is looking better all the time. I take that headline back. I think it's the obstructionists like myself who have been depantsed. Who could argue against what the apologists for illegal immigrant have been backing for decades. I think they may be on the right track after all.

Hey folks, there's going to be a party at my new home on the 17th, I'll post the address, date and time later so all my friends with new homes, new cars and lots of cash can drop by.

U.S. flags optional of course...


TOPICS: Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: apologists; crime; education; enablers; healthcare; illegal; immigration; traitors
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To: DoughtyOne
Good post. Thanks.

There is one thing I have noticed that Bill Clinton, George Bush, McCain, Kennedy and other open borders people all have in common. I have never heard a one of these people acknowledge that the American taxpayer provides the free health care, free education, free welfare, etc. Otherwise, these pathetic politicians are just a parrot of each other repeating the same "jobs that Americans won't do, we can't deport that many people" and such.
81 posted on 03/31/2006 7:10:47 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo
Do you realize that there are not illegal immigrants everywhere in our nation? I ask this knowing full well that you know it. What I am pointing out is this. Who does the jobs that Americans U.S. Citizens won't do in places where there are no illegal immigrants?

Open borders advocates haven't got an answer for this one.

I'll bet you do.
82 posted on 03/31/2006 7:14:11 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks for your post 79. You expressed some of the problems that I am wrestling with viz-a-viz some Republican politicians. It's frustrating to the nth degree and I see no solution soon.


83 posted on 03/31/2006 7:17:19 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: DoughtyOne
The Dallas Federal Reserve Bank contradicts you. They are a more credible source than you. Policy and legislation will be created, in part, based on their facts. Policy and legislation will not be created, based on your mis-informed opinion.

Got it?

84 posted on 03/31/2006 7:19:14 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: DoughtyOne

You bet I do. LOL

If I ever got the opportunity, I would ask one of these politicians to tell me where the government gets the money to pay for all these programs.


85 posted on 03/31/2006 7:23:01 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Ben Ficklin

Illegal is illegal is illegal Ben. I don't care if Mother Terresa appears in a dream tonight and says, "Ron Doughty is wrong, illegal is not illegal!", it will still be illegal Ben.

As a result of allowing millions of people to break our laws, tens of thousands of U.S. Citizens have been subjected to murder, rape, assault and a myriad of other crimes.

BTW Ben, despite anything you say, those crimes cannot be taken back. Those who died and suffered at the hands of illegal immigrants will not come back to life or lose the memory of what was perpetrated against them.

In addition, I have no doubt our leaders will cave and grant absolution to the guilty. What a disgrace that will be Ben. But at least you'll get to tell me that you told me so and gloat about it.


86 posted on 03/31/2006 7:39:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: texastoo

Okay but realize one thing. That wallet you had before you talked to them will be gone when you'r done.

Take it easy...


87 posted on 03/31/2006 7:40:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Okay but realize one thing. That wallet you had before you talked to them will be gone when you'r done.

Then the best thing I can do is change my name to have a "Z"in it.

88 posted on 03/31/2006 7:53:40 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo

Dont' laugh... heh heh heh...

Good night!


89 posted on 03/31/2006 8:00:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Ben Ficklin

I'm breakin' my own rules here, but D1's response rings true:

"As a result of allowing millions of people to break our laws, tens of thousands of U.S. Citizens have been subjected to murder, rape, assault and a myriad of other crimes."

Perhaps old Ben can ask Tina Kerbrat, or David March, or a host of others about how enlightened policy should be made.

Get back to me after you talk to them, won't you Ben?


90 posted on 03/31/2006 9:24:50 PM PST by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: absalom01; Ben Ficklin

Thanks for pinging me. Ben, this one's for you.


91 posted on 03/31/2006 9:28:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Instead, you will continue to think that "they" are trying to destoy America.

And they are ravaging our fellow citizens. You would think with all the crime they are committing, illegals wouldn't have time to fritter away in our emergency rooms and welfare offices, or the financial need to steal all the good paying jobs.

It's just an endless cycle of raping US citizens, cashing the welfare checks, and building trucks at Ford when they're not spreading disease and corrupting our American culture.

92 posted on 03/31/2006 10:25:19 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beware conservatives whose political consistency dictate all Presidents must be impeached.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
It is very common to find posters at FR who are mystified that, given the facts as they are known at FR, that their elected officials would do as they do. It never occurs to them that there is another set of more credible source of facts out there. It has never occured to you that there is another set of more credible facts out there.

The disconnect comes in when politicians and people like you tell people who are against illegal immigration to forget the facts they see with their own eyes,and forget the reality of the loss and suffering they experience on a daily basis from the effects of this no border insanity.

. They don't have to get the facts from some politician , political group or some scientific group's, government-paid-for pack of lies.

93 posted on 04/01/2006 2:01:46 AM PST by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

"But your thesis is contradicted by the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank who did the landmark study. CATO, Heritage, and other have done studies that contradict you."

Consider the source. Who benefits? Certainly not the majority of US taxpayers.


94 posted on 04/01/2006 3:21:11 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: investigateworld
"The only reason a nation would want more uneducated warm breathing bodies would be if a long conventional war was ahead?"

Nope. Dubya and his set believe that sustained conventional war is effectively obsoleted due to Kissinger's doctrine of mutually assured destruction. Bush is a hardcore adherent to this ideology. Your statement would be logically inconsistent with the Bush Admin's foreign policy and military spending programs.

They want slaves; not warriors.

95 posted on 04/01/2006 3:31:03 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Ben Ficklin
"In a sense there is a dual reality."

This cognitive dissonance is not without cause. It's what happens when what one sees with their own eyes in the real world contradicts the propaganda being put forth by the elites and MSM.

96 posted on 04/01/2006 3:33:35 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Ben Ficklin
"The Dallas Federal Reserve Bank contradicts you. They are a more credible source than you."

Since when has an arm of the Federal Government been in the business of disseminating credible information? It's absolutely not in their best interest to do so. The Fed's sole interest is to grow their piece of the Government Beaurocracy.

If they cared one whit about disseminating correct information for the benefit of those truly wanting to shape informed opinions, they wouldn't be constantly doing things like hiding M3 growth to facilitate their bamboozlement of the public.

97 posted on 04/01/2006 3:42:15 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: DoughtyOne

bookmark


98 posted on 04/01/2006 3:43:57 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: CowboyJay
My self imposed rule on immigration threads is to state:

>>>If I were born in a Third World sh*thole, I too would run jump swim or whatever to get into a decent nation. (Or at least I hope I would have that gumption)<<<

Why Dubya is taking this course is a wonderment. It will be disastrous for this nation, particularly the Republican Party. All immigrant groups vote Democrat, with the exception of the Cubans, but what do we do with Cubans?
We send our Coast Guard and Navy to hunt them down before they touch shore and claim refugee status.
The Cuban record for supporting R candidates is impressive
So why do we import Somalians? They have discovered welfare and are not about to get off it.
So I'm back to the theory, Bush is doing this to wreck the Republican Party (I do have a bit of knowledge about 'Mena Airport' type of politics, so I don't give a lot belief in the two party system) I've challenged a number of people to read "Compromised, Bush Clinton Cocaine", by Terrence Reed. If they do so and still think tin foil hate stuff, I'll provide them a list of Narcotic Officers in SB County who were buying multi-million dollar houses (back in the eighties when a million dollars was a lot of money)
99 posted on 04/01/2006 3:48:12 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: DoughtyOne

Good rant. Thanks DoughtyOne.


100 posted on 04/01/2006 4:03:08 AM PST by PGalt
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