Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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Thanks for fact-checking this. I didn't know the exact Texas number, but I was dubious of the claim that it was less than 44%. Bush was very popular here with just about every voter group except rich white liberals. :)
Have you gone stark raving mad? The Rats proposed a national ID, and we conservatives shot it down. Maybe tattoos, biochips, or little pieces of cloth sewn on to our National Uniforms will distinguish this proposal.....
Your statement lacks intellectual clarity, but gets to the heart of the issue, which is the same. You're comparing apples and oranges. I believe the rule of law requires that any law be enforced until it is changed.
The law should be enforced, period. If one doesn't agree with the law, work to change the law. Selective enforcement is corruption by definition. We have three branches of government, each tasked to work as a whole. Congress passes the laws. It's up to the executive branch to carry out the laws.
As a country we're finally having the discussion we've needed on immigration policy. That's the way our government works. Congress will be forced to produce a clear policy out in the sunlight. What they do will determine whether they are re-elected. Whether the President carries out his task will determine whether he's re-elected or not. Candidates will run on platforms spelling out what they would do. That's the way it works.
We've had a dishonest, by definition corrupt policy in place for the last 40 years. We've had a defacto legalization of uncontrolled immigration, by neglect. The INS doesn't deport. Local law enforcement doesn't even bother calling anymore. Cities declare themselves "hate free zones" and refuse to cooperate with the feds.
That's corruption, by definition. No elected official will say outright that illegals should vote, but through designed neglect it happens. I have no confidence in the ability of the Feds or local government to follow rules if there's any discretion.
So...we'll keep it simple. Build the fence. Create a policy that gets the support of 51% of Congress, start carrying it out. See if reps and senators can be re-elected on the policy they produce.
I want an open, honest debate...and after the last 13 years I have little tolerance for BS.
Assumption, and one as old as immigration.
Never in the history of this nation, has a group of immigrants failed to assimilate.
"Another way to look at this is that 38% of Illegal Immigrants do not pay income tax."
Seventy-five percent of the people in my household don't pay income taxes.
I'm the only person who works.
If homeland security was job 1, we'd have secure borders.
And your response is ... well, by golly, it has to be legislation!!!! So I guess you're left to wade in your own sarcastic response....
So what do you do when their "guest worker" time is up and they *gasp* decide to stay illegally?
The defining question is: why would they stay here illegally? They'd stay for the same reason they come now: because they're being paid by Americans to come here. If Americans weren't paying them, do you really suppose they'd be coming up here?
So the solution .... ta daaaaaa ... is to deal with the Americans who are paying them to come and stay. A guest worker program that provides American employers with an easy-to-use registration/checking capability handles one part: it removes the incentive to hire people who aren't registered. It also provides tracking of aliens. It also provides an auditable way to track down Americans who violate the employment regulations that would accompany the guest worker program.
The other part is harder: stop the state and local governments from giving monetary and other incentives for illegals to come and stay. Make registration and a paying job a precondition of obtaining public services. Demand proof of registration for drivers licenses, etc.
I'm not the one with the list. You are. What is your plan for deporting 12 million people? Do you realize that every one of them is entitled to a deportation hearing, including appeals? Are you ready for that?
If it were only that simple...usually there's jail invilved also.
Heck, given the often ugly ferocity of the debate around these parts, some of the hunt-'em-down crowd might be penciling you in on their lists right now. ;)
;-)
If that's the case (I'm not saying it is), then by all means have them vote for the GOP rather than the Democrats. Really, immigrants -- even the ones that are here illegally -- are not our enemies. They are the people who actually built this country.
I want to see proof tying SSN's back to illegal aliens paying withholding and then I want to know WHY they are still here if this ivory tower can find them.
According to this information more Hispanics are against amnesty than for it.....
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1201.html
According to your numbers, one half of one percent of all illegal aliens are in jail for a crime other than being here illegally, as opposed of 1.7% of American blacks between the ages of 29 and 36 (2002 census figures).
They already have the largest, by far, number of legal immigrants to the US. How much more are you willing to give them? An open border?
Maybe. I'm not an expert in California politics. I do know something about Texas politics. You learn here that the Hispanic vote is a vast potential source of votes for the GOP. And for better or worse, they are here to stay and are getting larger. So, if you want to continue being the majority party, you better listen to them and treat them much better than many here would treat them.
Pay close attention as you read this thread. There are even a few helpful links.
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