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Immigration debate needs common sense
townhall ^ | Mar 31, 2006 | Tony Snow

Posted on 03/30/2006 10:44:15 PM PST by ncountylee

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Illegal immigration seems to have spawned a dreary debate about the merits of Mexicans, when it should be drawing attention instead to a very different matter: how to build on the luster and wonder of the American dream.

Immigration is not the pox neo-Know Nothings make it out to be. Begin with the astounding influx of illegal immigrants, the vast majority of whom hail from Mexico. While the population includes an eye-popping number of crooks, drug-dealers and would-be welfare sponges, it also provides a helpful prop for sustaining American economic growth and cultural dynamism.

Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.

On the work front, Hispanic unemployment has tumbled to 5.5 percent, only slightly above the national average of 4.7 percent and considerably lower than the black unemployment rate of 9.3 percent. Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."

Skeptics counter that immigrants have clogged our hospitals, which is true -- but primarily in places that offer lavish benefits to illegal immigrants.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


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To: Protagoras

I agree with the sentiment, not the reality of running a shamnesty, and certainly not before the borders are secured.

HR 4437 needs to be passed NOW and THEN start in with the shamnesty talks.


61 posted on 03/31/2006 12:32:23 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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To: samcgwire

Funny, you answered a question which wasn't asked and didn't answer the question which was. Are you running for office?


62 posted on 03/31/2006 12:33:41 PM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Protagoras

Do I have your vote, or are you strictly committed to voting a straight FROBL ticket?


63 posted on 03/31/2006 12:34:47 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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To: samcgwire

I love those neat little JR high codes.


64 posted on 03/31/2006 12:40:38 PM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Protagoras

I love sincere Americans that put America's sovereignty on the top shelf, which you don't. Good day protagonist.


65 posted on 03/31/2006 12:41:28 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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To: samcgwire
I love sincere Americans that put America's sovereignty on the top shelf, which you don't.

And you came to that goofy conclusion,,,,,how?

66 posted on 03/31/2006 12:43:12 PM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Protagoras

By noting all the shamnesty supporters.


67 posted on 03/31/2006 12:43:46 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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To: samcgwire
Just for fun, where in that article or anything I have said in any post did you find anything about amnesty or anything even remotely like it?
68 posted on 03/31/2006 12:45:08 PM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: samcgwire
By noting all the shamnesty supporters.

Which ones and what do they have to do with me?

Hey,,that little "shamnesty" thing is kinda cool in a JR high kinda way. Learn it today? Big new buzzword in your circles?

69 posted on 03/31/2006 12:47:05 PM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Protagoras

Good day.


70 posted on 03/31/2006 12:50:26 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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To: samcgwire

Good choice.


71 posted on 03/31/2006 12:51:46 PM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: staytrue
Deviate one degree from whatever opinion, and freepers slander Snow, Rush, Hannity, anyone. It is sickening.

Look to your health, Staytrue. Avoid logging in.

72 posted on 03/31/2006 12:53:12 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Look to your health, Staytrue. Avoid logging in.

COME AND GET ME, IF YOU DARE.

73 posted on 03/31/2006 6:35:42 PM PST by staytrue
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To: TAdams8591

So you thought your former mayor was bad, check out post 72.


74 posted on 03/31/2006 6:59:10 PM PST by staytrue
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To: ncountylee

Tony frequently takes a more "reasonable" position on various issues.


75 posted on 03/31/2006 7:15:21 PM PST by TAdams8591 (President Bush's second term is undoing all the good he accomplished in his first term!)
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To: skeeter
"Look to your health, Staytrue. Avoid logging in."

Did you seriously mean the above comment??????

76 posted on 03/31/2006 7:17:40 PM PST by TAdams8591 (President Bush's second term is undoing all the good he accomplished in his first term!)
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To: staytrue; skeeter
This is a discussion forum. We discuss issues and sometimes try and persuade others to our points of view. We do not threaten one another.

Staytrue and I have some disagreement over this issue. But we exchange facts and points of logic. We never threaten one another.

77 posted on 03/31/2006 7:22:52 PM PST by TAdams8591 (President Bush's second term is undoing all the good he accomplished in his first term!)
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To: ncountylee
Skeptics counter that immigrants have clogged our hospitals, which is true -- but primarily in places that offer lavish benefits to illegal immigrants.

On this point, Tony is correct. Texas and Florida don't have a GENEROUS welfare state like Calipornia, and therefore don't have the problems the latter state has despite both having large legal and illegal immigrant populations.

Much as the Calipornians like to blame illegals for all of the states problems, they fail to address the fact that Anglo voters created a generous welfare state from the 1930s (through "ballot initiatives") through the 1970s. So much for Calipornia once being a "conservative" state!

78 posted on 03/31/2006 7:26:39 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

Conservative "ballot initiatives" have passed only to be thrown out by the courts.


79 posted on 03/31/2006 7:30:31 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Nevertheless, "ballot initiatives"" are an asinine way of setting policy. That is how California has been on the brink of bankruptcy: the citizens pass initiatives calling for more funding of education, healthcare, environmental protection, etc., yet vote for limits on taxation. There are some great people there, but it is still the land of fruits and nuts and political inconsistency.


80 posted on 03/31/2006 7:33:40 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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