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1 posted on 03/30/2006 10:33:11 AM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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Or we could deport all of them and fine the bejeezus out of their employers.


2 posted on 03/30/2006 10:34:50 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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"Yes" to teeth...."no" to amnesty.Get them out! All of them! Black,white,brown,yellow...whatever color.

Out!

3 posted on 03/30/2006 10:37:17 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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"a reasonable process for dealing with the illegal immigrants"

the only acceptable process is deportation.

"First of all, all illegals currently in the country would have to sign a written document stating that they had broken the laws of the United States by entering the country."

How are you going to enforce this? "Excuse me Mr Illegal Alien, would you kindly sign this document? Wait a second, mister, why are you urinating on my document? I asked you for your signature ..."

"There would be fines for both the illegals and the employers who fail to initiate the guest worker application process."

How much of a fine. Currently, the fine for using a falsified social security card is $250,000. I wonder how many of those fines we have collected.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 10:37:24 AM PST by Disturbin
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My simple solution:

1. Make illegal presence in the United States a felony, to go into effect on a certain date.

2. Establish a guest worker program. Upon completion of work visa, visa holder must return home and reapply. Failure to do so is illegal presence in the United States (see #1).

3. Eliminate the anchor baby clause. (This will require a constitutional amendment.)


7 posted on 03/30/2006 10:38:48 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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I like it.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 10:39:53 AM PST by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Democratic Congressional control)
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We could also say if you are here illegally and get caught, you will never receive american citizenship.


9 posted on 03/30/2006 10:40:04 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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Impasse=Lack of guts to do anything about the issue. Wake up, we have reasonable immigration laws on the books already--ENFORCE THE DAMNED LAWS for pete's sake.


10 posted on 03/30/2006 10:40:38 AM PST by brushcop (Mission Accomplished B-Co, 2/69 3d ID! God bless you and WELCOME HOME!)
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When you make "deals" that void our laws they've won.


11 posted on 03/30/2006 10:41:20 AM PST by dljordan
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All of the amnesty proposals (I've not seen much else) address "the worker" and what they have to do to stay here. I don't see anything about the family and relatives of "the worker" who are here soaking up the good life. Will there be any requirements for them to meet? Will they have to become "workers" or go home? Or will they be granted amnesty without any conditions? If "the worker" becomes unable to work will he be granted unconditional amnesty or sent home?


12 posted on 03/30/2006 10:41:44 AM PST by FreePaul
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Admit to the crime, fine them and their employers, put them on probation requiring monthly visits to the INS, do a backgorund check on them immediately ejecting those who have a record, immediately eject those who do not comply with all of the above, with no amnesty for the guest workers, requiring them all to go through the normal naturalization process in line with those already on that legal path...

...and do all of this AFTER the border is fixed, the fence built, and the pourous sieve of a border is closed so more cannot come. In the mean time, get aggressive about rounding up any illegals we can find presently and immediately deporting them so that when the time comes and the borders are fixed, those that remain will know that we mean business with this sort of guest worker program

13 posted on 03/30/2006 10:41:52 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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Secure the borders/ports.

Offer illegals an opportunity to apply for legal residencence, from their nation of origin, if they pay a fine. If they don't pay, they work it off at the work house and then get shipped back.

They then get in line with everyone else, and if they have children born in America, they (if they paid the fine) get processed first.

From there on out, it's more of a Bracero type program that I'd go with, but far superior in it's ability to track and control the 'guests'.

See, simple really.


14 posted on 03/30/2006 10:42:44 AM PST by samcgwire ("I voted for President 'Better Than Kerry'")
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All employers would require illegals working for them to apply for conditional guest worker status
From their jail cells.
16 posted on 03/30/2006 10:43:19 AM PST by GrandEagle
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AS I indicated yesterday, the illegals must pay a price for jumping the line

a) they sign up for remediation; if they don't sign up by a given date, and are caughty, they are deported and all of their possessions are confiscated and sold.

b) when it is their turn, they do 1 to 2 years of community service where they learn English and US History. During service time, they live in US Army tents or barracks and are fed US Army food. They can quit the community service at any time, but will be deported and are not eligible to get into line for migration.

c) When they successfully complete their service, they can get a green card, and be eligible for citizenship.


23 posted on 03/30/2006 10:44:46 AM PST by Mack the knife
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Amnesty is amnesty. When will you propose a general amnesty for all Americans arrested and convicted of ordinary misdemeanors? Why would you propose such an amnesty only for foreign non-citizens whose first act was to break American law?

We have the world's most open immigration system (way too open in my opinion). We have Ports of Entry where anyone with a visa or passport from accepted nations can enter lawfully. We have so many different types of temporary visa programs it takes an attorney to sort it all out for someone - but there's almost always a way in. There is NO NEED for a "guest worker" amnesty, there is no reason to "be nice" to the citizens of Mexico and hand over citizenship in this country just because they say they want it. And there is no reason to do ANYTHING but enforce our existing laws.

And most of all, I will NOT be ruled in the country my family fought and died for by people who had NOTHING to do with the establishment and development of that country, on the contrary, people who have done and are doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to tear down the greatest human achievment in history: the United States of America.

30 posted on 03/30/2006 10:51:56 AM PST by Regulator
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The very first step is to secure the borders. After that's been done, then we can talk about the rest of it.


32 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:31 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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We don't have enough people to keep them from entering the country; who's going to round up all these illegals and toss them out?


35 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:59 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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First of all, all illegals currently in the country would have to sign a written document stating that they had broken the laws of the United States by entering the country ...(and then they can stay under conditions?)

Would these illegals receive preferential treatment and be favored over those aliens obeying our immigration laws and waiting for entrance legally....some over ten years at this point?....

I don't think you suggestion is either rational or fair for that reason alone.

40 posted on 03/30/2006 10:59:28 AM PST by pop-gun (A dumbed down population is more dangerous to our country than terrorism.)
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Or we could fine employers $1M/day per employee for hiring an illegal.


42 posted on 03/30/2006 11:00:29 AM PST by Zathras
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What about remaining employed while in a probational period, what if they lose that job, would employment be restricted to jobs "Americans won't do" and for how long?

Your idea has merit but the devil is in the details. Problem is when the illegals become legal then they are Americans and they won't do some jobs either. Restricting the jobs and the pay for those jobs even for just a certain length of time would be a form of indentured servitude.

46 posted on 03/30/2006 11:02:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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There would be fines for both the illegals and the employers who fail to initiate the guest worker application process.....And huge fines plus deportation if any are caught trying to vote in any election in the U.S.

Guest worker or not, they must speak English.

56 posted on 03/30/2006 11:11:09 AM PST by yoe
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