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The Document Refuseniks
The Weekly Standard ^ | 3-28-06 | Daniel McKivergan

Posted on 03/28/2006 4:58:53 PM PST by eyespysomething

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I have to go be mommy. I'll be back. :-)

1 posted on 03/28/2006 4:58:56 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; SwatTeam; ...
The Document Refuseniks

Release/Translation of Classified PreWar Docs ping. If you want to be added or removed to the ping list, please Freepmail me.

Please add the keyword prewardocs to any articles pertaining to this subject.

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents

Also here

Documents from the Harmony Database

jveritas’s blog

2 posted on 03/28/2006 5:02:30 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

They can ignore, ignore, ignore or even try to discredit all they want (which is what we predicted two weeks ago they would do).

However, the MSM needs to understand that no one is paying attention any more. When they lost their monopoly we saw clearly their agenda (for those who hadn't already seen it).

If they want people to start paying attention again, they should do what my old friend Mark Twain said was their duty.

Mark Twain did not say: "The duty of the press is to be agenda driven and avoid anything that conflicts with their agenda."

Mark Twain said: "The duty of the press is to print the truth and raise hell."

Two, or one, still believe this, but most don't understand what the truth is. And here, with these documents, the truth so far is that they exist, they tell a story and that story is being uncovered. In the end I suspect we will learn that the truth is not what they told us it was.


3 posted on 03/28/2006 5:05:10 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: eyespysomething

Evidence then is not evidence unless is proves what you want it to


4 posted on 03/28/2006 5:05:45 PM PST by woofie
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To: eyespysomething

BTTT


5 posted on 03/28/2006 5:07:28 PM PST by DocRock
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To: eyespysomething

Maybe they get interested if somebody told them the boxes were full of chads.


6 posted on 03/28/2006 5:17:48 PM PST by digger48
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To: eyespysomething

Dontcha love the media? Believe forged memos, koran flushing, play puppetmaster for the kneejerkers ,etc... but documents from Iraq that were seized from sites in Iraq are discredited. How much you wanna bet that if the articles validated their "Bush lied" meme, it would be front page news above the fold for months! Give me a FReeper like Jveritas anyday over the obsolete media.

Don't forget to spread the blogsite address for jveritas - www.iraqdocs.blogspot.com. I would love to see his sitemeter go through the roof!

Off topic - I would like to congratulate those FReepers that think for themselves. After dabbling on the immigration threads, I'm in need of some moral clarity and integrity.


7 posted on 03/28/2006 5:22:27 PM PST by Chickenhawk Warmonger (Join the chickenhawk express at www.chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com)
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Don't forget to spread the blogsite address for jveritas - www.iraqdocs.blogspot.com. I would love to see his sitemeter go through the roof!

Does anyone know for sure? I thought jveritas was a woman.

8 posted on 03/28/2006 5:44:12 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Total healing for Gavin IJN)
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To: Chickenhawk Warmonger

bttt


9 posted on 03/28/2006 5:48:12 PM PST by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: eyespysomething

They know the documents tell us nothing new, when they haven't read them yet. They haven't been translated yet.

That tells you everything you need to know about these people.

They are still misquoting the 911 commission, when obviously even the commission didn't have access to this material.

I'm sure there were a lot of misgivings about putting this material out there for the public, but it was genius. We can see that everyone, the political establishment, CIA, State, and the press itself, has had an interest in shaping the story more than merely communicating the story.

Bush has gone over their heads to the American people. It was a hail-mary move.


10 posted on 03/28/2006 6:01:19 PM PST by marron
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To: Albion Wilde

nope - jveritas is male. The NY slimes published his name in their article today.


11 posted on 03/28/2006 6:16:19 PM PST by Chickenhawk Warmonger (Join the chickenhawk express at www.chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com)
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To: Chickenhawk Warmonger; eyespysomething; jveritas

"Dontcha love the media? Believe forged memos, koran flushing, play puppetmaster for the kneejerkers ,etc... but documents from Iraq that were seized from sites in Iraq are discredited. How much you wanna bet that if the articles validated their "Bush lied" meme, it would be front page news above the fold for months! Give me a FReeper like Jveritas anyday over the obsolete media."

This is one part of the story that is really telling. The LSM has been trying, for the most part, to ignore this story and hope it goes away. The report in the Slimes today shows that it is not going away and they are responding to the story. They are not ahead on this one.

It is obvious to me that after 2 weeks the LSM still has not figured out what to do with this story. They can not dispute the interpretation. They would have on day one if they could. They tried ignoring it and that hasn't worked. Now the only thing left is to say the documents must not be real. That one won't work either.

jveritas - your honesty in translating these documents is obvious by the reactions of those who do not want to believe facts. Thank you, again, for all the work you have put into this.


12 posted on 03/28/2006 7:55:15 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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We need to keep pounding on the MSM. Until they realize that we will not shut up about these documents, then they may start recognizing them.


13 posted on 03/28/2006 8:14:01 PM PST by KCRW
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To: eyespysomething
Because they cannot even entertain the possibility that they may have been wrong, there isn't any new evidence that can possibly be produced. The media are ensconced in the leftist societal engineering camp which is the agenda of the democrat party, thus the media have a driving agenda to serve, to bring back democrat control of government that will usher in the tsunami of liberal leftist amoral social contract. Secular Humanism IS a religion that the media and their favored politicos worship and Judeo-Christian values are at odds with that social contract so the conservative direction for this society must be defeated by the media. Ultimately, when documents are translated that prove a clear connection (perhaps such as personnel lists for training at Salman Pak naming several of the 911 murderers) such documentation will be treated the way the Dan Rather fabrications should have been treated, and truth will be called a lie and lies will be their truths.
14 posted on 03/28/2006 8:48:02 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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"And then there's the ubiquitous Michael Scheuer, a former CIA official who pops up in a silly and dismissive front-page piece on the documents in today's New York Times. He notes that "there's no quality control" when you just throw a bunch of documents out into the public domain."

The CIA controlled the "quality" so well they missed 9/11.


15 posted on 03/28/2006 9:36:26 PM PST by dervish
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Do you suppose 'quality control' is demospeak for 'we can't control what gets revealed'?


16 posted on 03/28/2006 9:49:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Deadly combo - politics, correctness and ineptitude

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"Last summer, CIA censors took the unusual step of permitting Michael Scheuer to publish "Imperial Hubris" in the middle of the presidential election season. This move, along with several simultaneous leaks of classified intelligence studies painting a grim portrait of the American campaign in Iraq, struck many as a blatant intervention by the agency into electoral politics, with Mr. Scheuer being used as a proxy. According to the Washington Post, however, the decision had an entirely different motive. Four top CIA managers had given Mr. Scheuer a green light out of fear that, if blocked, he would resign from the agency, thereby "earning even more attention for a work they viewed as partly ludicrous."
Whether the decision was a CIA calculation or (yet another) miscalculation, we are still left with the question of how, for a period of years, a man of this caliber had been given primary responsibility for the effort to understand and counter Osama bin Laden. But the bad news is that the presence of such a figure in a pivotal position within the CIA was not a fluke.

'snip'

By 1999, the agency's top leaders were actively engaged in the campaign for greater diversity, or, in plain English, quotas. Mr. Clinton's third director, George Tenet, issued a major statement deploring the fact that "minorities, women, and people with disabilities still are underrepresented in the agency's mid-level and senior officer positions," and asserting his determination to end this state of affairs. It was, he said, incumbent on "supervisors and managers" at all levels to understand that diversity is "one of the most powerful tools we have to help make the world a safer place," and he declared that they would be held accountable for "ensuring that this agency and community are inclusive institutions."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006359


17 posted on 03/28/2006 10:31:03 PM PST by dervish
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To: dervish
The clinton administration planted land mines throughout all levels of Government which will continue to explode for years to come.
What a disastrous Administration.
18 posted on 03/29/2006 6:26:03 AM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: eyespysomething
This is a natural extension of the Third Grader, tit-for-tat mentality of the loony left. They got led around by the nose so many times with the fake document of the month, that it would seem only "fair" that the Iraqi intelligence docs would be fake.
19 posted on 03/29/2006 6:32:03 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: mikeybaby

The degenerate clinton proved that character DOES matter in our highest leaders (and in his case the lack of moral character). Sadly, the sovereigns of this nation have stopped paying any attention to such a thing when contemplating their vote so degeneracy is now taking over the 'nation's conscience'. America is already in the swirl going down the toilet, but there's plenty of bread and circuses to keep the sovereigns distracted!


20 posted on 03/29/2006 6:34:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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