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'Galileo Was Wrong,' claims geocentrist writer
The Sun Herald ^ | Tue, Mar. 28, 2006 | DRU SEFTON

Posted on 03/28/2006 12:09:01 PM PST by orionblamblam

Bible proves Earth is center of universe, author argues The Earth is at the center of Robert Sungenis' universe. Literally.

Yours too, he says.

Sungenis is a geocentrist. He contends the sun orbits the Earth instead of vice versa. He says physics and the Bible show that the vastness of space revolves around us; that we're at the center of everything, on a planet that does not rotate.

He has just completed a 1,000-page tome, "Galileo Was Wrong," the first in a pair of books he hopes will persuade readers to "give Scripture its due place, and show that science is not all it's cracked up to be."

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For several years the Web site of his Catholic Apologetics International (www.catholicintl.com) offered a $1,000 reward to anyone who could disprove geocentrism and prove heliocentrism (a sun-centered solar system).

There were numerous attempts, Sungenis said, "some serious, some caustic," but no one did it to his satisfaction. "Most admitted it can't be proven." There's also no proof that the Earth rotates, he said. But what about Foucault's famous pendulum? Its plane of oscillation revolves every 24 hours, showing the rotation of the planet. If the Earth didn't rotate, it wouldn't oscillate.

Nope, Sungenis said: There just may be some other force propelling it, such as the pull of stars.

(Excerpt) Read more at sunherald.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bible; brainless; creationism; crevo; crevolist; design; galileo; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; kookalert; tinfoilalert
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To: edsheppa

I would pay close attention to the field of linguistics after Chomsky dies. I think his manure might just help a hundred flowers blossom.


241 posted on 03/28/2006 5:37:58 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: GourmetDan; orionblamblam
GourmetDan's posts suspiciously remind me of Robert Sungenis. He's using all kinds of arguments and statements that I've only seem him use in email exchanges he's had with me. Like his nonsense about the Sagnac effect.

Either Robert is posing as a Freeper, or he's found a goupie that parrots his every word. Either way, it's very sad.

242 posted on 03/28/2006 5:53:53 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Fraxinus

revolution is the measure of movement, rotation is the amount of ice cream you can put in a cone and still ride a bike.


243 posted on 03/28/2006 6:20:38 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: ArrogantBustard; RadioAstronomer; longshadow

There is one advantage of a "heliocentric" (or elliptical focal centric) theory over the visually equivalent "geocentric" (or observer centric) theory.

For a geocentric system, the following law holds, "Things further from the focus move more slowly than things closer in." This fails in a geocentric system.


244 posted on 03/28/2006 7:18:26 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Right Wing Professor
And yes indeedy, just as you might expect, Sungenis is a creationist!

Those who are ignorant of science will believe in anything, just anything.

245 posted on 03/28/2006 7:25:08 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: orionblamblam; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; Dawsonville_Doc

where... where's the "Onion" byline?


246 posted on 03/28/2006 7:26:55 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Antoninus
May as well claim that a lagomorph isn't a mammal.

heh yeah, or that a whale isn't a cetacean, or even an animal for that matter, it is however, a fish.

Wait a minute...some creationist/IDer made that very claim on another thread.
Let's hear again from the creationists how "kinds" is just as useful for classifying lifeforms as the Linnean system.

247 posted on 03/28/2006 7:30:59 PM PST by Deadshot Drifter
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To: RadioAstronomer

I only have mathtype; I have to do the rest in my head or on the margins of the newspaper (which are too small to contain my best results.)


248 posted on 03/28/2006 7:33:20 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: orionblamblam

nice... nice... very good. thanks.


249 posted on 03/28/2006 7:35:58 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: MeanWestTexan

One of my professors was executive officer on the New Jersey (during WWII.) He said that he did this test (on various ships and in various ports) all over the world. Genrally (if the water had some time to relax), rotation went as predicted.


250 posted on 03/28/2006 7:36:48 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I have to do the rest in my head or on the margins of the newspaper (which are too small to contain my best results.)

Have you considered switching to the broadsheet fermat format?

251 posted on 03/28/2006 7:41:28 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: MeanWestTexan

that's atmospheric coriolis effect, which could be explained by the sun orbiting the earth.

a large enough drain in a controlled environment would certainly prove the earth is itself revolving


252 posted on 03/28/2006 7:44:54 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Fraxinus
What is the difference between revolution and rotation again?

vs


253 posted on 03/28/2006 7:46:10 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Constitution Day
Voyage to Our Hollow Earth - 24 Day Trip

Dollars-to-doughnuts they won't allow smoking during the trip.

I ain't goin'.

254 posted on 03/28/2006 7:48:07 PM PST by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: wireman
We went to the moon???

Yes, but that was before Watergate.

255 posted on 03/28/2006 7:52:33 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: GourmetDan

From your own link:

"If you sit on top of this sphere and look down at Earth, you will see it rotating counterclockwise on its z axis."

"Effects of Earth's Rotation"



EARTH. ROTATING.

Bing. Try again. Apparently, even this tutorial suitable for a complete idiot is too complex for a geocentrist to figure out.


256 posted on 03/28/2006 8:12:36 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: orionblamblam

correct me if I err, please:

a sufficiently large mass would have measurably greater weight at the axial poles than it would on the equator, thus PROVING the Earth rotates.


257 posted on 03/28/2006 9:14:38 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout; orionblamblam
a sufficiently large mass would have measurably greater weight at the axial poles than it would on the equator, thus PROVING the Earth rotates.

I don't have it on line, but there's a famous illustration u=in Newton's "Principia". It shows the Earth with a hole drilled from the N. Pole to the center, and a hole drilled from the Equator to the center.

Because of the Earth's rotation, the Equator water flows out a bit; thus, Newton calculated the equatorial bulge.

258 posted on 03/28/2006 9:29:51 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: orionblamblam
Indeed? Then what do we call people like yourself, who have the "hostility" nailed down, but haven't figured out the laughter part yet (especially laughing at ones-self)?

Here's why I don't "laugh" at your rants. You know how after you've heard the same joke 17 times, it's no longer funny? Well, it's even worse when someone interrupts your serious discussions to insert the offending joke over and over again. That kind of borish behavior tends to bring out the worst in people.
259 posted on 03/28/2006 9:31:41 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: Virginia-American

newton was a smart fellow, but he never visited the north pole. so his theories and calculations cannot be considered empirical enough for this discussion.

these geocentrists are demanding "proof" (empirical evidence which can *only* be explained by the rotating-earth model will have to suffice)


260 posted on 03/28/2006 9:34:54 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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