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'Galileo Was Wrong,' claims geocentrist writer
The Sun Herald ^ | Tue, Mar. 28, 2006 | DRU SEFTON

Posted on 03/28/2006 12:09:01 PM PST by orionblamblam

Bible proves Earth is center of universe, author argues The Earth is at the center of Robert Sungenis' universe. Literally.

Yours too, he says.

Sungenis is a geocentrist. He contends the sun orbits the Earth instead of vice versa. He says physics and the Bible show that the vastness of space revolves around us; that we're at the center of everything, on a planet that does not rotate.

He has just completed a 1,000-page tome, "Galileo Was Wrong," the first in a pair of books he hopes will persuade readers to "give Scripture its due place, and show that science is not all it's cracked up to be."

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For several years the Web site of his Catholic Apologetics International (www.catholicintl.com) offered a $1,000 reward to anyone who could disprove geocentrism and prove heliocentrism (a sun-centered solar system).

There were numerous attempts, Sungenis said, "some serious, some caustic," but no one did it to his satisfaction. "Most admitted it can't be proven." There's also no proof that the Earth rotates, he said. But what about Foucault's famous pendulum? Its plane of oscillation revolves every 24 hours, showing the rotation of the planet. If the Earth didn't rotate, it wouldn't oscillate.

Nope, Sungenis said: There just may be some other force propelling it, such as the pull of stars.

(Excerpt) Read more at sunherald.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bible; brainless; creationism; crevo; crevolist; design; galileo; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; kookalert; tinfoilalert
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To: FormerLib
I, for one, would like to write this guy off as a Scientologist but that clearly is not so.

Truth be known....I have a 101 temperature...chills..and the sweats. Not feeling all that well today. So please forgive my flippancy in regards to the idiocy of the article.

I'm now going to sit under my crystal pyramid until I feel better. The brandy may assist me in this.

181 posted on 03/28/2006 2:15:22 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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To: Hacksaw

"Most likely because you have a habit of trolling religion threads and mocking people's deeply held beliefs. You see, you have a reputation as a jerk. It was earned complety by yourself"

You noticed that to, eh?

Scott


182 posted on 03/28/2006 2:15:27 PM PST by scottdeus12 (I'm surrounded by parentheses....)
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To: PatrickHenry

Welcome to the "Festival of Geocentric Psychosis"....


183 posted on 03/28/2006 2:16:20 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: ArrogantBustard
But it's a whole lot easier if you drop you frame of reference on the center of mass of whatever you're trying to model.

Well, like, yeah. It's easier, but I like to think of the universe revolving around me! 

184 posted on 03/28/2006 2:16:44 PM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: orionblamblam

"Hogwash. If something is spinning around something else as fast as these crystal spheres are supposed to be spinning around the Earth, the centrigual force on them would be most astonishing. Hell, the sudden changes in acceleration felt by the other planets and the sun as they do their little epicycle tricks would distort 'em."

No crystal spheres in geocentricity anymore.


"*Everything* appears at rest in such tests. Clearly, everything *ain't* at rest."

The Michelson-Morely test has only been done on the earth. Also, *everything* doesn't appear at rest. The Sagnac effect clearly shows the relative rotational motion of the universe about the earth, making the null result of Michelson-Morely even more likely to be a real result, not a 'relativity' result.

The null Michelson-Morely result is why Einstein formulated General Relativity. Sine we 'know' the earth is moving, yet measurement says we are not, then 'no ability to measure motion' is the only logical conclusion, hence General Relativity.

Unfortunately, this has been *assumed* rather than *measured*. Not much real difference, except that it allows science to retain an acentric view in the face of geocentric evidence.


185 posted on 03/28/2006 2:17:02 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: Hacksaw
On the other hand, you are positively obsessed with Christians.

I wonder if that should read "negatively obsessed with Christians"?

186 posted on 03/28/2006 2:17:12 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: orionblamblam

Embarrassing.


187 posted on 03/28/2006 2:20:33 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: SlowBoat407
God has better things to do than mess with our heads.

Good thing I'm not G-d. I'd go out of my way to mess with people's heads. ;-) 

188 posted on 03/28/2006 2:21:12 PM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: orionblamblam
Well, then that rather blows the "staunch atheist" nonsense right out of the water, yes? Along with torpedoing anyone who knew that *and* suggested that a Google search would prove that I was an atheist.

You may find a difference between being an agnostic/objectivist and being an atheist, but I don't. May as well claim that a lagomorph isn't a mammal.

Typical Creationoid tactics.

Yawn. You have become tiresome in record time.
189 posted on 03/28/2006 2:24:12 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: scottdeus12

> I just wonder why Christianity makes you so hostile...???

Heh. I'm always amused at those who see me laughing and assume hostility.


190 posted on 03/28/2006 2:25:17 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: longshadow
If the earth were moving, we would quickly leave the moon behind. But the moon isn't left behind. Therefore, the earth is not moving.
</internet idiot mode>
191 posted on 03/28/2006 2:26:25 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: orionblamblam
Just be careful that you're not too busy being roasted for all eternity. You never know... the Greek Orthodox might be the right ones. Or the Mormons. Or the Shakers. Or even - GASP! - the Lutherans.

As I said, God willing.
192 posted on 03/28/2006 2:26:30 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: Hacksaw

> Most likely because you have a habit of trolling religion threads ...

Define "trolling religion threads." Would that be something like a Christian mocking Islam on a thread about Islam? Or a Creationist trotting out his nonsense on an Evolution thread?

> you have a reputation as a jerk

Quite possibly. Facts *really* irritate some people.

> Most of us could not care less what you believe

Then why bring it up?

> you are positively obsessed with Christians.

Really? Wow. Amazing the Godlike powers some Freepers have... the can psychoanalyze at a distance and can determine with the snap of their fingers that someone is an atheist. What will they do next??


193 posted on 03/28/2006 2:29:41 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Antoninus
Hey Orionblamblam: Do you believe in God?

Wrong question. He could doubt the existence of a deity while still allowing for the possibility. Or he could be pretty sure that the Judeo-Christian God doesn't exist but leave it open for a different deity to exist. Or he could not believe in the Judeo-Christian God but believe in a different God or gods.

In order to be an atheist he would have to actively disbelieve in the existence of any sort of deity.

194 posted on 03/28/2006 2:30:24 PM PST by ahayes
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To: orionblamblam
Heh. I'm always amused at those who see me laughing and assume hostility.

Scorn is hostility mixed with laughter. Your posts are that to a "t".
195 posted on 03/28/2006 2:30:53 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: Alberta's Child

> The irony was that Galileo was wrong on scientific grounds back then

He was also just dead wrong on some things, like his insistence that comets were atmospheric phenomena. However, his Rightness was more important, historically, than his Wrongness.


196 posted on 03/28/2006 2:30:55 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: orionblamblam
Careful, or you might fall off!


197 posted on 03/28/2006 2:34:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Antoninus

> Scorn is hostility mixed with laughter.

Indeed? Then what do we call people like yourself, who have the "hostility" nailed down, but haven't figured out the laughter part yet (especially laughing at ones-self)?

Ah, well. It hardly matters. While the IDers and the Geocentrists mioght well triumph, and the meek may well inheirit the Earth... thos who abandon such childish belief systems will conquer the universe soon enough. Maybe we'll leave the Earth and its culture of whack-jobism as sort of a zoo. It'll be entertaining to watch y'all try to build surface-to-space interceptors when y'all have to reject the rotation of the Earth.


198 posted on 03/28/2006 2:36:19 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: Alberta's Child

The 3 pillars of humanist attack against Biblical accuracy are:

1. Acentrism vs Geocentrism,

2. Long-Ages vs Young Earth,

3. Abiogenesis&Evolution vs Creation.

None of the 'scientific' positions can be *proven* and represent nothing more than a consensus belief.

Once you realize that, you are free.


199 posted on 03/28/2006 2:38:39 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: orionblamblam

Must be with the same Nuts who think We never went to the moon.


200 posted on 03/28/2006 2:41:46 PM PST by wolfcreek
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