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Mole may have been fed false information
timesonline.co.uk ^ | March 25, 2006 | Michael Evans

Posted on 03/26/2006 11:26:59 AM PST by Proctor

The Times March 25, 2006

Mole may have been fed false information

By Michael Evans, Defence Editor

THE revelation that a mole inside US Central Command was sending to the Russians secret operational material about the coalition plan to invade Iraq in March 2003 is the most extraordinary development to emerge since Saddam Hussein was found in a hole in the ground. However, the mole’s betrayal might have provided little assistance to the Iraqi dictator. It is conceivable that the material was either deliberately skewed to confuse the Baghdad regime or was out of date by the time that Saddam and his war planners were given the details.

There is even a possibility that the mole had been discovered by the Americans early on and steps were taken to feed him or her with false information. None of the material released in the Pentagon papers gave Saddam such crucial information that enabled him to take measures against the US-led advance on Baghdad.

There can never have been any doubt in Saddam’s mind that the Americans and British planned to advance from Kuwait, since all the coalition forces were assembled in the desert areas south of the Kuwaiti/Iraqi border.

The document passed to Baghdad states that the Americans also planned to attack from the north and the east. In fact, US Marines and special forces attacked from the west, and the plan to mount an offensive from the north was abandoned when Turkey refused to allow coalition forces to invade from Turkish territory.

The original British operation was to have been exclusively from the north, but after the decision by the Turkish parliament to prohibit the use of Turkish bases, Britain had to switch all its troop deployments and armour to Kuwait for an attack from the south.

The document revealed that the mole in Central Command tipped off the Russians that the Americans had decided against occupying major Iraqi cities en route to Baghdad. This was accurate. Apart from the British mission to seize and occupy Basra and create a safe route for logistics movements from Kuwait to Baghdad, the plan was for US divisions to sweep past the other cities on the way to the Sunni triangle in central Iraq to reach Baghdad as rapidly as possible. US forces advanced past Najaf and Nasariyah so quickly that they were on the outskirts of Baghdad before Iraq’s Revolutionary Guard divisions were able to put up a proper fight.

With or without intelligence tip-offs from the Russians, Saddam was incapable of mounting a defence of his capital city or of deploying his supposedly elite Revolutionary Guards to protect his regime.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; coldwar2; communism; disinformation; espionage; evilempire; intelligence; iraq; iraqiintelligence; kgb; mole; neosoviets; prequel; prewardocs; putin; russia; russianmole; russians; saddam; scum; sovietunion; troll; ussr; zot
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To: Proctor

Uhhhm, yeah right. Russia (and China) may have fed Saddam correct info, but Saddam was the one who spread disinformation to his troops. Saddam did not put up a fight because Saddam knew the only way to beat us was to fight an insurgency war.


41 posted on 03/26/2006 2:20:35 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Tailgunner Joe; MARKUSPRIME; M. Espinola; lizol

Pingaroo!!


42 posted on 03/26/2006 2:21:31 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Proctor

43 posted on 03/26/2006 2:22:42 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Diplomacy is what you do after you kick the enemy's ass and define their lives afterward)
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To: SandRat

You make a good case that the "48,000 boxes of untranslated material" released by the fed gov "in hopes of having translated, 'cause we ain't got the resources' is a bunch of malarky....


44 posted on 03/26/2006 2:24:01 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: SandRat
Now they need to out the mole and try him/her for treason.

Or retire the double agent with the honors and benefits due him.

45 posted on 03/26/2006 2:36:27 PM PST by Lessismore
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please do not believe these russian troll opinion shapers. they are liars who come to these forums to propagandize and shill for putin.

"russia was helping us" HAHAHAHAHA do NOT believe these lies.





let's recall what putin did before the war...they were NOT "helping us"

respected WASHINGTON TIMES reporter BILL GERTZ in his book "Treachery" state that:
"Foreign munitions were used against coalition forces during the war and continue to be a potential source of explosives for improvised explosive devices still being used to kill U.S. soldiers."


Iraq's arms ["The big three arms suppliers were Russia (and the Soviet Union), China and France"] and "Russia supplied 122 different types of arms and a total of nearly 13 million items" Russian Delegation in Baghdad With Putin Message for Saddam Hussein

Moscow 'vehemently' opposes attacks on Iraq Sees Saddam's terror-sponsor state as 'long-term partner'





ask yourself, was russia "helping" us when they helped iran with numerous arms sales including a ONE BILLION DOLLAR DEAL??? they helped iran with having the ability for missiles to THREATEN EUROPE!

Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran

Russia will sell SAMs to Iran

Russia to meet pledge on air defense system deliveries to Iran

Iran and Russia sign $1 bln defense deal: reports

Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe

was russia "helping" us when they sold MiGs, helicopters, machine guns,submarines, training of venezuelan troops?

Venezuela Receives First Shipment of Russian Military Helicopters

Russia is ready to sell aircraft to Venezuela

Russia must begin the training, arming Venezuela's armed forces against US threat of invasion

Venezuela formalizes Russian arms deal

Venezuela to Buy Russian Submarines and Machine Guns

Hugo Chavez: MiGs, SAMs and 900,000 more assault rifles

ask yourself, was russia "helping" us when they said hamas was NOT a terrorist organization? or when they supplied missles to syria that were fired into israel?


Hamas not a terrorist organisation for Russia: Putin

Rockets fired from Lebanon into Israel are Russian-made, sold to Syria

Israel worried about possible new Russia-Syria arms deals

"Russia to supply Syria with ammunition, train officers"

'Russia's trying to save the Syrians'

another particularly DAMNING series of stories...

The KGB's Man (arafat was TRAINED and BANKROLLED by KGB!)

Bin Laden aide ‘had KGB link’

To The Qaeda:Ex Russian Agent, Vice Bin Laden Trained From Kgb

Russian secret agency FSB trained Al Qaeda's al-Zawahiri: Report:

Al Qaeda’s Al-Zawahiri Received Terrorist Training in Russia

KGB trained Zawahiri, says former agent

other stories of interest, for instance why does rusia have the same amont of spies in the US/UK as during the cold war??

"Russian agents flood UK in revival of intelligence Cold War"

"The Russians Are Coming - As Many Russian Spies Now In The U.S. as during the Cold War"



Powell Concerned by Putin Political Changes



The Increasingly Intertwined Bear and Dragon Russia providing Military Technology and Arms to China


46 posted on 03/26/2006 2:39:08 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Russia also recently helped Iran launch its first ever spy satellite. Let me guess - The spy satellite has a 'disinformation' chip in it.

Also, why was this 'dirty laundry' fed to the MSM in such a way that it is 'hurting' Russian-US relations ?

I must admit however, whenever a 'story' is spread around the worlds main stream medias so quickly, you cannot almost bet the farm it is a planted story.

47 posted on 03/26/2006 3:06:19 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: SandRat
Now they need to out the mole and try him/her for treason.

Unless the mole was an American double agent. In that case there may have been a medal awarded.
48 posted on 03/26/2006 3:11:29 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Proctor; darkwing104
I personally think you are over-complicating the entire processs and are proving it by over-analysing this story....
50 posted on 03/26/2006 3:48:12 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: darkwing104; Proctor; All; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; ...
I suspect Proctor is ok.

please suspend hostilities for the time being.

RKBA-6-ACTUAL out.

51 posted on 03/26/2006 3:50:20 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
He was already was suspended before I finished reading the thread.


52 posted on 03/26/2006 3:53:46 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104; Proctor

hrmn. I wonder why Proctor was suspended. I don't see anything particularly bad on this thread or the humor thread he was on...


53 posted on 03/26/2006 3:56:34 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Proctor
Hate to tell you...you have been


54 posted on 03/26/2006 4:02:54 PM PST by JRios1968 (A DUmmie troll's motto: "Non cogito, ergo zot")
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55 posted on 03/26/2006 4:20:16 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: darkwing104

Wow...Didn't really understand the zot on that one. If bad analysis warrants a zot, then I might be in big trouble!

Any idea what caused it? Surely something other than this thread.


56 posted on 03/26/2006 4:25:24 PM PST by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: NonLinear
Wow...Didn't really understand the zot on that one. If bad analysis warrants a zot, then I might be in big trouble!

He was probably suspended or banned for some other reason. I am just goning to let it go and let the mods sort it out.


57 posted on 03/26/2006 4:30:04 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104; Darksheare

Hope your weekend was a great one dw104!
I am overstuffed with Lasagna!

Tell your brother "Hi" too!

I'd better go see what's happening on the undead thread "Wear our the cats?" LOL!


58 posted on 03/26/2006 5:00:13 PM PST by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: King Prout; darkwing104

why was proctor zotted? UMMM prolly because he was a RETREAD


59 posted on 03/26/2006 6:13:45 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

you lick his head and it tastes like peanuts.


60 posted on 03/26/2006 7:03:53 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (what)
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