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1 posted on 03/25/2006 10:58:23 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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I say we start grabbing illegal aliens and super glueing them hand to foot and making a ladder to the moon with them. Pay em under the table and Americans sure won't do that job.


2 posted on 03/25/2006 11:08:43 PM PST by jwh_Denver (If liberals had any brains they wouldn't use them anyway.)
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Islamists to the Moon!


4 posted on 03/25/2006 11:16:08 PM PST by onedoug
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Thanks for posting this. Wow, an article from the Washington Post that was readable - who woulda thunk!

Kudos to President Bush for his space initiative. I'm sure the MSM will fall all over themselves to praise him (/sarcasm)


5 posted on 03/25/2006 11:18:30 PM PST by American in Singapore (Liberals: Their ignorance and stupidity is becoming dangerous)
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I'd love to see a man land on Mars in my lifetime, but I doubt it will happen. As long as there's money to be had in prolonging the process, NASA will never again put a man on the moon, much less on Mars.


7 posted on 03/25/2006 11:25:34 PM PST by Alien Gunfighter (Secular Misanthropist)
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Now posting my standard issue pre-emptive strike on the NASA is a waste of money, robots are the only solution, private industry is the only..., etc, crowd.........


Astronauts bring back the visions of space, they bring back what its like to see our earth as an outsider. They bring back what its like to be a child of earth. To see our world as it truly is, an oasis in a vast black expanse.

They take human presence beyond our world. No machine can do this.

They teach us that the sky is not the limit, that there ARE no limits.

They keep an AMERICAN presense in space. If we dont. Someone else will certainly take the lead. China is seeking the high ground now.

There are reasons why this nation is where it is today.
Reasons why any of us are here at all. Brave people took the risks and went beyond the horizon. They did so on ships they knew may not return and on imperfect wings.

Astronaut Story Musgrave.....

"We have been a frontier culture. We were born out of exploration, we were born out of adventure. We were born out of the plains and the mountains. We've been a very physical kind of culture. And so, if you look at adventure, if you look at exploration, if you look at immersion in nature, a physical culture, and all those things, you can see directly how space flight relates to the way America has been born and how it evolved."


"You have to keep pushing the frontier not
just because it's there, but because that's how we find things that end up changing humanity," -Paul Hill, Mission Control


Why Space, Why Explore?

Astronaut Story Musgrave...........

We have no choice, Sir. It is the Nature of Humanity, it is the Nature of Life

The Globe was created and Life Evolved, and you look at every single cubic millimeter on this Earth, You can go 30,000 feet down below the Earth surface, You can go 40,000 feet up in the air and Life is There. When you look at the globe down there, you see Teeming Life Everywhere

It is the Power of Life, And maybe I am not just a Human up here, you know. Now Life is Leaping off the Planet. It is heading to other parts of the Solar System, other parts of the Universe

There are those kinds of Pressures. It isn't simply politics, it is not simply technology, it is really not just the essence of humanity, but it is sort of also, you could look at it as maybe the Essence of Life. I think Teilhard de Chardin, in Phenomenon of Man, I believe he put that incredibly well. So those kind of Forces are at Work. It is the nature of humans to be exploratory and to Push On

Yes, it costs resources and it does cost a lot, and there is a risk, there is a penalty, there is a down side, but Exploration and Pioneering, I think those are the critical things, it is the Essence of what Human Beings are, and that is to try to understand their Universe and to try to participate in the entire Universe and not just their little Neighborhood -Story Musgrave


One of my most convincing arguments for space exploration is the
analogy that Earth itself is a spacecraft. Everything we learn about
how to function and live in space applies directly to our spacehip
Earth. How to recycle air, water, how to generate and use power
efficiently, how to grow food in closed ecosystems. All of it is
important. All of this can benefit mankind in a world with a fast
growing population. Understanding other worlds is
how we understand OUR world better, to understand
how it formed and where it is going. Its our only home for now.


"We must not cease from exploration, and at the end of all our
exploring will be to arrive where we began, and to know it for the
first time."
T.S. Eliot



President Bush at the Columbia memorial at JSC................


"The cause of exploration and discovery is not an option we choose, It
is a desire written in the human heart."


And at the announcement of new American space policy...........


"Mankind is drawn to the heavens for the same reason we were once
drawn into unknown lands and across the open sea. We choose to explore
space because doing so improves our lives, and lifts our national
spirit."



Gallup survey.....

"More than three-fourths (77%) of the American public say they support a newplan for space exploration that would include a stepping-stone approach to returnthe space shuttle to flight, complete assembly of the space station, build areplacement for the shuttle, go back to the Moon and then on to Mars and beyond"




Excerpted from Silver Linings : Triumph of the Challenger 7. by June Scobee

A note in a Challenger astronauts briefcase found after the loss.....

"We have whole planets to explore, we have new worlds to build. We have a solar system to roam in. And if only a tiny fraction of the human race reaches out toward space, the work they do there will totally change the lives of all the billions of humans who remain on earth, just as the strivings of a handful of colonists in the new world totally changed the lives of everyone in Europe, Asia & Africa."

Had Dick left the note in his briefcase for us to find if something happened? Did he write it on scratch paper to use to quote in a speech? All we'll ever know is that when we most needed a message, it was there. He left for us his dream for the world, his vision for space exploration.


9 posted on 03/25/2006 11:29:52 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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Remember when the International Space Station was going to shower us with benefits? So, how's that Flying Hamhock doing?

Pedal to the metal, people! Politicians can print as much money as we need to do everything the politicians can dream up!

Ya gotta love the printing press; it'll get us back to the Moon.

10 posted on 03/25/2006 11:30:04 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government "job" attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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I won't believe it until I hear the complaints that Dubai Ports World is buying the moon port.


11 posted on 03/25/2006 11:32:53 PM PST by JSteff
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And the standard issue graph of where our money is spent. Note NASA...dwarfed by ever growing entitlement spending....
12 posted on 03/25/2006 11:34:19 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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Hold on to your wallets, for some more inappropriate government spending!


13 posted on 03/25/2006 11:49:02 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle ("Better put some ice on that")
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It's about bloody time.


17 posted on 03/26/2006 12:01:10 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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img src="http://www.smallartworks.ca/PS/Space1999/AlphaMoonbase/Alpha1.jpg"> They'd better call it Moonbase Alpha or I'm gonna be mad...LOL


18 posted on 03/26/2006 12:06:04 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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Good news. Time to dream again.

Our nation needs this.....more kids will want to be in the sciences.

22 posted on 03/26/2006 12:34:30 AM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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Cool!

24 posted on 03/26/2006 12:47:10 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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best way to build interplanetary vessels on the moon is in sections, launch and assemble them in orbit.

best way to launch sections: electromagnetic mass-driver

bonus: that same mass-driver could easily be used to lob large rocks at terrestrial enemies. boom, with no radiation... and, if done cleverly, with quite a bit of plausible deniability.

let us go back to the moon, please.


25 posted on 03/26/2006 12:56:15 AM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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When all the money raided from the Social Security Trust Fund is replaced, and the raiding has stopped, then we can talk about funding NASA.

If someone gave you money you knew was stolen, would you be moral in spending it?

27 posted on 03/26/2006 2:15:00 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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No so fast puny earthlings...
28 posted on 03/26/2006 2:45:39 AM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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President Bush in 2004 announced to great fanfare plans to build a new spaceship, get back to the moon by 2020 and travel on to Mars after that.

Pyramid-building is not dead.

29 posted on 03/26/2006 3:02:52 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Actually, it's all done with mirrors.)
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Amateur economic modeling via societal simulators show that you cannot sustain a long term space exploration program with the amount of debt this nation carries unless steps are made to reduce the burden of debt. The weight of the continually increasing debt would cripple the economy eventually. The space program would inevitably collapse as the society deteriorates.

I'm all for space exploration, but if we are to venture into space, our society needs to be structured to take the emphasis of subsidizing socialism and geared towards promoting technological advancement. That would begin with education, and then step through emphasis on research via universities and then so on. All the while, social subsidies programs would need to be eliminated en masse.

Today's cultural and political climate is hardly aligned to the requirements necessary to promote a successful space exploration program.

Yet I heartily applaud those who would promote it. I would even support it, given that the right overtures are made on all fronts of the issue.

34 posted on 03/26/2006 4:19:28 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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President Bush in 2004 announced to great fanfare plans to build a new spaceship, get back to the moon by 2020 and travel on to Mars after that.

"We can fight a war, spend money on social programs like there is no tomorrow, run our deficits into our great-grandchildren's future ... and we can even go to Mars!"

The "Great Society" Part II.

35 posted on 03/26/2006 4:49:54 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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37 posted on 03/26/2006 9:14:09 AM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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