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Lesbian couple found guilty of boy's murder (refused to call mom's dyke friend "daddy"!)
Mail & Guardian (South Africa) ^ | 23 March 2006 | South African Press Union

Posted on 03/25/2006 3:22:01 PM PST by GMMAC

Lesbian couple found guilty of boy's murder

Mail & Guardian (South Africa)
23 March, 2006


A four-year-old boy died after he was brutally assaulted when he refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy", The Star newspaper reported on Thursday.

Jandre's mother, Hanelie Botha (31), and her partner Engeline de Nysschen (33) appeared in the Vereeniging Regional Court on Wednesday and were found guilty of the boy's gruesome murder.

His father, Jan, sat in court holding the hands of his fiancée, Yolanda Deysel, and listened attentively to Magistrate Rita Willemse, who in her judgement, accepted evidence that among the reasons that led to Jandre's brutal ordeal was his refusal to call De ysschen "Daddy", the paper said.

The court had heard evidence from Lydia Nkomo and her daughter Aletta Lesiba, who worked for the couple in their tuckshop, that De Nysschen had viciously assaulted Jandre while demanding that he must call her "Daddy".

Both testified that while Jandre was assaulted, his mother failed to intervene or protect him. Evidence showed he had sustained horrific injuries, including a fractured skull and brain damage, as well as broken legs, collarbone, hands and pelvis.

The court accepted the evidence of Professor Mohammed Dada, a trauma expert, who said the boy's injuries were similar to those of a person who had fallen from a double-storey building.

Delivering judgement, Willemse acknowledged there was no substantial evidence linking Hanelie to the assaults, but said she was equally guilty of murder for failing in her legal duty to protect her child against abuse and violation.

The court found she had lied to Dr Elna Gibson, one of the medical doctors who treated Jandre, by saying the boy got his injuries after he had slipped in the bath.

The doctors who had examined Jandre dismissed the pair's version that he had slipped in the bath. They said excessive force was required to inflict the kind of fatal injuries sustained by Jandre.

Convicting the two, Willemse dismissed their version and said there was substantial medical evidence before her about the nature of the injuries suffered by Jandre.

The case was postponed until June 26 for a pre-sentencing report.

.......... more detailed coverage (sorry no link)..........


Boy (4) died at hands of lesbian pair
Horrific injuries showed long-term abuse


The Mercury (South Africa)
23 March 2006

By Baldwin Ndaba


Johannesburg: Four-year-old Jandre refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "daddy" - and paid with his life.

Jandre's biological father, Jan Botha, was in the Vereeniging Regional Court's public gallery yesterday when his former wife, Hanelie Botha, 31, and her partner, Engeline de Nysschen, 33, were found guilty of the gruesome murder of his son.

He sat in court, holding his fiancee Yolanda Deysel's hands and listened attentively to Magistrate Rita Willemse who, in her judgment, accepted evidence that among the reasons that led to Jandre's brutal ordeal was his refusal to call De Nysschen "daddy".

The court heard evidence from Lydia Nkomo and her daughter, Aletta Lesiba, who worked for the couple in their tuckshop, that De Nysschen had viciously assaulted Jandre while demanding that he call her daddy.

Both testified that while Jandre was being assaulted his mother had failed to intervene or protect him.

Evidence showed he had sustained horrific injuries, including a fractured skull, brain damage, broken legs, collarbone, hands and pelvis.

The court accepted the evidence of Prof Mohammed Dada, a trauma expert, who said the boy's injuries were similar to that of a person who had fallen from a double-storey building.

Willemse acknowledged that there was not substantial evidence linking Hanelie to the assaults, but said she was equally guilty of murder for failing in her legal duty to protect her child against abuse and violation.

The court found she had lied to Dr Elna Gibson, one of the medical doctors who had treated Jandre, by saying the boy got his injuries after he had slipped in the bath. The court ruled that she had lied to protect De Nysschen.

The doctors who had examined Jandre dismissed the pair's version that he had slipped in the bath. They said excessive force was required to inflict the kind of fatal injuries sustained by Jandre.

Willemse said: "I accept the evidence of the medical personnel, who are experts in their fields. There were substantial documents placed before me.

"Most of them have medical experience which spans over a period of 15 years. All of them have dismissed the version of the accused and were unanimous that the deceased's injuries were inflicted over a period of time.

"It is unthinkable that the biological mother of the child could not have known about these fatal injuries. The deceased also had broken legs and his mother should have been aware of it."

The magistrate criticised Hanelie for failing to report Jandre's abuse at the hands of her lover to social workers who were monitoring Jandre's progress after she had gained custody of him.

The boy's father became aware of Jandre's abuse only on the day of his death on June 12 2003. De Nysschen contacted him and said Jandre had fallen earlier in the day and had died.

Willemse said Hanelie had failed to tell her ex-husband that their child had been admitted to the Vereeniging Medi-Clinic on June 3.

She criticised Hanelie's fitness to be a mother, saying Hanelie's parents, who disliked Jan Botha after the two had divorced, later approached him and gave him financial help to fight for the custody of his child.

"Even your own parents did not deem it fit for you to have custody of the deceased," Willemse said.

Rebuking her, Willemse said: "Hanelie was not helpless. She was well aware of Engeline's violent outburst. She could have called the child's biological father for help, but she failed to do so. She did nothing to protect her own child."

The magistrate called De Nysschen a liar and a hopeless witness who had contradicted herself in testimony.

De Nysschen said earlier in her plea explanation that she had hit Jandre hard once with her fist but during her testimony, changed her version and admitted to a series of beatings.

She, however, maintained that the child's injuries had been caused by him slipping in the bath. Hanelie and De Nysschen were further convicted for assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm and child neglect for failing to provide or seek treatment for Jandre's limb fractures.

The case was postponed until June 26.


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To: Hildy

I still think a heavy penalty is necessary, though, given the victim of the murder was a young child, and given the tragic absurdity of the 'crime' he was killed for.

But your common sense and sense of justice is appreciated, and you are right.


41 posted on 03/25/2006 5:14:03 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So lesbians kill children because they don't have a penis? So what's the excuse for the thousands of men who kill kids? I can't wait for your answer.


42 posted on 03/25/2006 5:38:01 PM PST by Hildy
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To: i_dont_chat
How many elderly homos do you know personally?

None. But I’ve known a good many elderly and middle aged heteros who are very bitter, lonely, and sad.

So what is your point?

I’d say that nothing good comes from being bitter, lonely, and sad, no matter what your circumstances or orientation.

I’ve known some elderly married couples who were absolutely miserable in their twilight years; my parents among them, and some elderly widows and widowers who were so self obsessed with their loss, that they lost the capacity to care for anyone else but them selves and were so consumed with bitterness to the point of yearning for their own death, not caring a hoot about anyone else.

I’ve also known some elderly people, who have embraced life to it’s fullest no matter what.

Being happy or not is a personal decision.

Again, what is your point outside of your own experience?

I also know a homosexual couple, being together, happy, committed and monogamous for a all the years they’ve been together. This was not my experience in my twenty-years in a hetero marriage.

And again, your point?
43 posted on 03/25/2006 5:51:10 PM PST by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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To: GMMAC

When Mandela and the ANC came to power (1994) they abolished the death penalty.


44 posted on 03/25/2006 5:51:27 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: GMMAC

Just an extention of their man hating......


45 posted on 03/25/2006 6:01:45 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Caramelgal

You got my point. That's why you are so angry. Cool it; I am expressing my opinion, from my experience.

Where is your anger coming from?


46 posted on 03/25/2006 6:06:01 PM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: Hildy

While mindful that we should "hate the sin but love the sinner", do your sympathies go so far as favoring, gay "marriage" and/or/ the right to adopt and/or include children obtained/conceived by whatever means within their imagined "families"?


47 posted on 03/25/2006 6:10:36 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC
do your sympathies go so far as favoring, gay "marriage" and/or/ the right to adopt and/or include children obtained/conceived by whatever means within their imagined "families"?

As far as I can tell, in America, you can conceive children in many different ways without the government coming in and telling you no. So you want to tell a Lesbian woman she can't have a child? That would be interesting. As far as adoption goes, in a perfect world, there would be a married couple for every child that needs to be adopted. But that is not the case, as we know. I would rather a child be with a loving gay person or gay couple than be in the goverment foster system. You asked me.

48 posted on 03/25/2006 6:15:16 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
Yet another sweeping statement without documentation.

How do you explain the well-proven fact that while male homosexuals make up something likely less than 3% of the overall population they account for somewhere in the range of 30-40% of all convicted pedophiles?

See (as but one example): Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse

Rather than cite an obviously long list of female child killers, I'd contend that, based upon the vastly different standards of justice which the sexes are respectively held to, most gender based crime statistics are rendered essentially meaningless.
49 posted on 03/25/2006 6:32:49 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

I didn't say heterosexual women who kill children, I said heterosexual MEN who kill children.


50 posted on 03/25/2006 6:36:32 PM PST by Hildy
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To: GMMAC

Homosexuality kills!


51 posted on 03/25/2006 6:39:02 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Axis of Evil: Iran, N. Korea, Syria, Democrat Party & US Mainstream Media)
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To: Socratic

Why is this more sick than a heterosexual couple killing their own child, for whatever sick reason? That does happen, you know.

What's the point of posting this? Surely you're not implying that there's something unique about lesbians that causes them to kill children?


52 posted on 03/25/2006 6:40:08 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: taxesareforever

"So does "daddy" get put in with the male prison population? It would sure be fitting"

Look the poor guys are already in prison, don't you think they are suffering enough??


53 posted on 03/25/2006 6:49:04 PM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Hildy
Seemingly, your citation of such an extreme example isn't all that far removed from the common tactic of pro-abortionists who habitually come up with a rationale of incestuous rape while conveniently ignoring far more common &, for the most part, irresponsible causes of pregnancy.

My position begins with the ideal insofar as any child's best interests with respect his/her emotional health & physical safety.
Accordingly, children should rightly have - not withstanding valid reasons serving to preclude as much - the closest possible relationships with both their natural & heterosexual mother & father since these are their most appropriate role models for countless reasons in a host of areas.
54 posted on 03/25/2006 6:50:36 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC
Seemingly, your citation of such an extreme example isn't all that far removed from the common tactic of pro-abortionists who habitually come up with a rationale of incestuous rape while conveniently ignoring far more common &, for the most part, irresponsible causes of pregnancy.
What on earth are you talking about?

My position begins with the ideal insofar as any child's best interests with respect his/her emotional health & physical safety. Accordingly, children should rightly have - not withstanding valid reasons serving to preclude as much - the closest possible relationships with both their natural & heterosexual mother & father since these are their most appropriate role models for countless reasons in a host of areas.

Again, what on earth are you talking about? You asked me about gay adoption. An adoption takes place when the PARENTS DON'T WANT THE CHILD, am I incorrect on that?

I suspect you like to hear yourself talk, because this means nothing in terms of the discussion we were having.

55 posted on 03/25/2006 6:56:19 PM PST by Hildy
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To: kenth

An old girlfriend of mine was renting from a lesbian landlord. She forbade male pets. I'd get the daggers when I showed up there. Then there was the lesbian "art"...


56 posted on 03/25/2006 7:06:29 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: GMMAC

This is such a sad story. If that poor kid had only had a father in his life, it wouldn't have happened.

I've known quite a few hardcore lesbians in my day, although I don't know any currently. I have a close relation who is a lesbo and have met any number of her friends who are these 5 foot tall broads with short hair and an attitude. They by default, assume they are equal to males, expect to be treated as such and are indignant if treated otherwise.

This one day, I was asked over to help a move. I showed up and there are like three of these "boy men" broads huffing and puffing and trying to get a dryer up the stairs out of a basement apartment. Despite all their efforts, it just ain't happening. Now, when I showed up, they were behaving as if I was as useful as tits on a bull.

I'm a fairly large guy and when I was in my 20s I could lift some big numbers, specially with my legs. I could dead lift just over 300 back in the day(be lucky to do half that now). Anyway, I grabbed the dryer, walked up the stairs and deposited it in the pickup truck.

You cannot imagine the reaction those boy men had. I had to leave. They refused to accept that I had done it myself. They were offering up excuses that they didn't hold it right, they didn't have the right footing, blah blah.

I suppose that my point is, "daddy lesbos" have a mental illness. Break that image and they go nutz. That contributed to this poor child's death.



57 posted on 03/25/2006 7:27:27 PM PST by Malsua
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To: NonZeroSum
Why is this more sick than a heterosexual couple killing their own child, for whatever sick reason?

Since nothing in my post ranks this as being more sick than anything else, your question is without merit. In fact, my statement would tend to show more an equality between the evil of actual men and those who would perversely arrogate to themselves the title of "daddy."

What's the point of posting this?

Since I did not post this, but merely responded, I can only assume that it was considered news just as any bizarre murder would be.

Surely you're not implying that there's something unique about lesbians that causes them to kill children?

Since nothing in my post even hints of this, I can only assume that your own thought processes must have been father to the thought (or perhaps a lesbian "daddy" to the delusion).

58 posted on 03/25/2006 7:46:01 PM PST by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: Hildy
It's hardly surprising that someone who makes sweeping statements which they apparently can't back up, then pleads incomprehension, offers up insults & finally hangs the tiniest part of their position on what amounts to several assumptions.

To be accurate, you made some male bashing & pro-homosexual statements, I questioned your views on several issues & you brought it all down to - aside from your rudeness - the gay adoption issue alone which you've attempted to rationalize with the most extreme & narrow example possible: presumably cold & brutal orphanages vs. loving homosexuals.

Ann Coulter wrote a whole book on those whose favor your style of debate.
59 posted on 03/25/2006 7:51:26 PM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

What did I say that constitued male bashing to you?


60 posted on 03/25/2006 7:53:50 PM PST by Hildy
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