Lesbian couple found guilty of boy's murder (refused to call mom's dyke friend "daddy"!)

Mail & Guardian (South Africa) ^ | 23 March 2006 | South African Press Union

[Alexander Rubin]

I still think a heavy penalty is necessary, though, given the victim of the murder was a young child, and given the tragic absurdity of the 'crime' he was killed for.

But your common sense and sense of justice is appreciated, and you are right.

[Hildy]

So lesbians kill children because they don't have a penis? So what's the excuse for the thousands of men who kill kids? I can't wait for your answer.

[Caramelgal]

How many elderly homos do you know personally?

None. But I’ve known a good many elderly and middle aged heteros who are very bitter, lonely, and sad.

So what is your point?

I’d say that nothing good comes from being bitter, lonely, and sad, no matter what your circumstances or orientation.

I’ve known some elderly married couples who were absolutely miserable in their twilight years; my parents among them, and some elderly widows and widowers who were so self obsessed with their loss, that they lost the capacity to care for anyone else but them selves and were so consumed with bitterness to the point of yearning for their own death, not caring a hoot about anyone else.

I’ve also known some elderly people, who have embraced life to it’s fullest no matter what.

Being happy or not is a personal decision.

Again, what is your point outside of your own experience?

I also know a homosexual couple, being together, happy, committed and monogamous for a all the years they’ve been together. This was not my experience in my twenty-years in a hetero marriage.

And again, your point?

[Bonaparte]

When Mandela and the ANC came to power (1994) they abolished the death penalty.

[G Larry]

Just an extention of their man hating......

[i_dont_chat]

You got my point. That's why you are so angry. Cool it; I am expressing my opinion, from my experience.

Where is your anger coming from?

[GMMAC]

While mindful that we should "hate the sin but love the sinner", do your sympathies go so far as favoring, gay "marriage" and/or/ the right to adopt and/or include children obtained/conceived by whatever means within their imagined "families"?

[Hildy]

do your sympathies go so far as favoring, gay "marriage" and/or/ the right to adopt and/or include children obtained/conceived by whatever means within their imagined "families"?

As far as I can tell, in America, you can conceive children in many different ways without the government coming in and telling you no. So you want to tell a Lesbian woman she can't have a child? That would be interesting. As far as adoption goes, in a perfect world, there would be a married couple for every child that needs to be adopted. But that is not the case, as we know. I would rather a child be with a loving gay person or gay couple than be in the goverment foster system. You asked me.

[GMMAC]

Yet another sweeping statement without documentation.

How do you explain the well-proven fact that while male homosexuals make up something likely less than 3% of the overall population they account for somewhere in the range of 30-40% of all convicted pedophiles?

See (as but one example): Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse

Rather than cite an obviously long list of female child killers, I'd contend that, based upon the vastly different standards of justice which the sexes are respectively held to, most gender based crime statistics are rendered essentially meaningless.

[Hildy]

I didn't say heterosexual women who kill children, I said heterosexual MEN who kill children.

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

Homosexuality kills!

[NonZeroSum]

Why is this more sick than a heterosexual couple killing their own child, for whatever sick reason? That does happen, you know.

What's the point of posting this? Surely you're not implying that there's something unique about lesbians that causes them to kill children?

[SAMS]

"So does "daddy" get put in with the male prison population? It would sure be fitting"

Look the poor guys are already in prison, don't you think they are suffering enough??

[GMMAC]

Seemingly, your citation of such an extreme example isn't all that far removed from the common tactic of pro-abortionists who habitually come up with a rationale of incestuous rape while conveniently ignoring far more common &, for the most part, irresponsible causes of pregnancy.

My position begins with the ideal insofar as any child's best interests with respect his/her emotional health & physical safety.
Accordingly, children should rightly have - not withstanding valid reasons serving to preclude as much - the closest possible relationships with both their natural & heterosexual mother & father since these are their most appropriate role models for countless reasons in a host of areas.

[Hildy]

Seemingly, your citation of such an extreme example isn't all that far removed from the common tactic of pro-abortionists who habitually come up with a rationale of incestuous rape while conveniently ignoring far more common &, for the most part, irresponsible causes of pregnancy.
What on earth are you talking about?

My position begins with the ideal insofar as any child's best interests with respect his/her emotional health & physical safety. Accordingly, children should rightly have - not withstanding valid reasons serving to preclude as much - the closest possible relationships with both their natural & heterosexual mother & father since these are their most appropriate role models for countless reasons in a host of areas.

Again, what on earth are you talking about? You asked me about gay adoption. An adoption takes place when the PARENTS DON'T WANT THE CHILD, am I incorrect on that?

I suspect you like to hear yourself talk, because this means nothing in terms of the discussion we were having.

[sheik yerbouty]

An old girlfriend of mine was renting from a lesbian landlord. She forbade male pets. I'd get the daggers when I showed up there. Then there was the lesbian "art"...

[Malsua]

This is such a sad story. If that poor kid had only had a father in his life, it wouldn't have happened.

I've known quite a few hardcore lesbians in my day, although I don't know any currently. I have a close relation who is a lesbo and have met any number of her friends who are these 5 foot tall broads with short hair and an attitude. They by default, assume they are equal to males, expect to be treated as such and are indignant if treated otherwise.

This one day, I was asked over to help a move. I showed up and there are like three of these "boy men" broads huffing and puffing and trying to get a dryer up the stairs out of a basement apartment. Despite all their efforts, it just ain't happening. Now, when I showed up, they were behaving as if I was as useful as tits on a bull.

I'm a fairly large guy and when I was in my 20s I could lift some big numbers, specially with my legs. I could dead lift just over 300 back in the day(be lucky to do half that now). Anyway, I grabbed the dryer, walked up the stairs and deposited it in the pickup truck.

You cannot imagine the reaction those boy men had. I had to leave. They refused to accept that I had done it myself. They were offering up excuses that they didn't hold it right, they didn't have the right footing, blah blah.

I suppose that my point is, "daddy lesbos" have a mental illness. Break that image and they go nutz. That contributed to this poor child's death.

[Socratic]

Why is this more sick than a heterosexual couple killing their own child, for whatever sick reason?

Since nothing in my post ranks this as being more sick than anything else, your question is without merit. In fact, my statement would tend to show more an equality between the evil of actual men and those who would perversely arrogate to themselves the title of "daddy."

What's the point of posting this?

Since I did not post this, but merely responded, I can only assume that it was considered news just as any bizarre murder would be.

Surely you're not implying that there's something unique about lesbians that causes them to kill children?

Since nothing in my post even hints of this, I can only assume that your own thought processes must have been father to the thought (or perhaps a lesbian "daddy" to the delusion).

[GMMAC]

It's hardly surprising that someone who makes sweeping statements which they apparently can't back up, then pleads incomprehension, offers up insults & finally hangs the tiniest part of their position on what amounts to several assumptions.

To be accurate, you made some male bashing & pro-homosexual statements, I questioned your views on several issues & you brought it all down to - aside from your rudeness - the gay adoption issue alone which you've attempted to rationalize with the most extreme & narrow example possible: presumably cold & brutal orphanages vs. loving homosexuals.

Ann Coulter wrote a whole book on those whose favor your style of debate.

[Hildy]

What did I say that constitued male bashing to you?