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Nation sees a sharp drop in gun dealers
Star Tribune ^ | March 22, 2006 | Kevin Diaz

Posted on 03/24/2006 12:38:44 AM PST by neverdem

'Kitchen table' dealers -- those operating out of their homes -- are getting squeezed between federal laws and local zoning codes. The impact on illegal gun-trafficking is debatable.

WASHINGTON -- In a little-noticed victory for gun control advocates in Minnesota and across the nation, the number of gun dealers in the United States has plummeted 78 percent in the past 10 years as tens of thousands of home-based dealers surrendered their federal licenses. The drop shows how the gun debate has moved from a national stage -- where gun control advocates lost congressional battles to ban assault weapons and to sue gun manufacturers -- to local zoning boards that are creating a growing web of fees and regulations that indirectly restrict firearms sales.

"The gun control agenda has evolved from the halls of Congress and the courts," said Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association (NRA). "Now we're seeing it evolve to the micro level in local municipalities."

But what looks like welcome news to gun opponents might just have driven gun sales off the books, as fewer personal gun sales are logged, vetted and tracked by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Whether that has led to more illegal gun trafficking is open to debate.

"Most of these guys [who are no longer licensed] were just home-based dealers who did gun shows on the weekends as a part-time job," said Mark Koscielski, who is fighting a zoning battle to hold on as the last remaining gun store in Minneapolis. "Now they revert to private collectors, so they're free to sell without federal background checks. They're private sales."

Once more numerous than gas stations, people who held the government's most basic gun-dealer license totaled nearly a quarter-million in 1994. Last year, the...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Minnesota
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To: muir_redwoods
"Do they somehow think that demand tracks to the numbers of suppliers?"

Yup--that's exactly what they think.

21 posted on 03/24/2006 6:34:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: politicket

"I also don't see how the stores can even make a profit on gun sales. The .22 from Walmart cost me $99 and I'm sure that the employee time to do all of the paperwork and jump through all of the hoops more than ate up any profit margin that Walmart should have gotten."

If your walmart is anything like the ones near me, they paid that employee almost nothing because hes an illegal. The jokes on you because you tax money is supporting his kids, who don't learn enligh.


22 posted on 03/24/2006 6:38:06 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: absolootezer0
90% of their "business" for self, family and friends

If I were to add me, my family, and all my friends who shoot, I could probably open a storefront business--all those "little" dealers made it that much tougher to go after the bigger ones.

Get them out of the way, and the effort can be concentrated on just a relatively few retail outlets, instead of all those little guys.

No matter how you look at it, there is a strategy here. Remember this got its start under the Clintons.

23 posted on 03/24/2006 6:41:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: neverdem
The ATF estimated that in 1992 as many as 74 percent of Type 1 federal firearms licenses
-- the basic license to sell guns -- were used to operate out of residences.

That number is now down to slightly more than 50 percent.

Bill Clinton burned down a church
and murdered 78 human beings
to get rid of just one Type 1 FFL in Waco Texas.
b'shem Y'shua
24 posted on 03/24/2006 6:57:50 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: neverdem

Screw them! I am bucking the trend, as I am finishing building a gunshop at my place. No zoning and the mayor is helping me acquire tax rebates from the state. Pick your place wisely. Do not set up a libertarian bookstore in a 1960's Red Square!


25 posted on 03/24/2006 6:58:12 AM PST by ExpatGator (Progressivism: A polyp on the colon politic.)
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To: Joe Brower
No. Really not good.

Things are coming to a head. This isn't the only straw on the camels back...

26 posted on 03/24/2006 7:04:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: jim_trent
Hi All-

"...Now, does everyone know what happens to the dealers records when he "surrenders" his license? They get sent to the BATF. What do you think the BATF is doing with the records of every firearm transaction? Sounds like they had a plan all along, doesn't it..."


If I was sitting at my breakfast table reading the newspaper over coffee and learned the doors of a BATFE vehicle transporting 4473's unlatched and thousands of records blew all over the highway during a torrential rainstorm...it wouldn't make me sad. Is it wrong of me to say that?

~ Blue Jays ~

27 posted on 03/24/2006 7:09:16 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Woodman
However the used car dealer doesn't get constantly threatened with nationwide class action suits.

They're next. You can count on it.

28 posted on 03/24/2006 7:16:16 AM PST by Badray
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To: neverdem
This is not a new issue. The writing was on the wall when the BATF raised the fees from $30 to something like $500 for the Class III or something like that...happened years ago. It doesn't really matter, except as a symptom of the greater evil.
29 posted on 03/24/2006 7:16:28 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Gaffer

ping 14


30 posted on 03/24/2006 7:16:31 AM PST by B4Ranch (What has an alimentary canal, a big appetite at one end & no sense of responsibility at the other.)
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To: jim_trent

My advice is do not mention that you own specific unregistered firearms on the Internet. Buy your ammo for these firearms with cash.

Make it difficult for them to track your unregistered firearms to you!


31 posted on 03/24/2006 7:21:01 AM PST by B4Ranch (What has an alimentary canal, a big appetite at one end & no sense of responsibility at the other.)
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To: neverdem

This is all about the deliberate destruction of the "gun culture."


32 posted on 03/24/2006 7:23:17 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: neverdem

In a free country there would be no license. Everyone should enjoy the right to keep and bear arms. If a criminal cannot be trusted with one after they served their time then maybe they shouldn't be out of jail. I mean, we release people we do not trust into our population.


33 posted on 03/24/2006 7:24:13 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Smokin' Joe
90% of their "business" for self, family and friends

i wasn't saying this was a bad thing, i actually thought it was good. it kept prices down. the clinton stratgey wasn't just to make it easier to inspect dealers, it was also done knowing that prices would be driven up. drive prices up and fewer items will be sold, fewer items sold will drive prices up further. eventually, more shops would go out of business and fewer guns would be sold.
its the walmart business scheme. low prices until there's no competition, then prices all go up. but unlike walmart, people don't "need" guns the way they need food. its using a simple business scheme to enact another small measure of gun control.
34 posted on 03/24/2006 7:25:25 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: CodeToad
I mean, we release people we do not trust into our population.

We also have 536 of them in Washington, DC and for some reason, most of them continually get sent back again and again and again...

35 posted on 03/24/2006 7:26:20 AM PST by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: neverdem

Consolidation in the industry. Nothing more, nothing less.


36 posted on 03/24/2006 7:28:45 AM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: William Tell

This is NOT good news.

Guns are a legal commodity - they are not drugs or porn.

But the far left-wing has succeeded in painting them as such in the mind of the public and the educational establishment is raising generations of young Americans to beleive there is no legitimate use or right for a firearm.

And where is Mr. Gonzales in this situation? Where is the Bush Administration?


37 posted on 03/24/2006 7:29:59 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: absolootezer0

Yep, I agree. Unfortunately, with the little guys out of the way, they can tell the big ones "their way or the highway". Liability insurance cost has factored into more than one decision to shut down, too. Hopefully anti tort legislation will put an end to that angle.


38 posted on 03/24/2006 7:35:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: politicket
Did you also discover that a national gun registry is alive and well? I finally understood that line in the movie "Red Dawn" where the Colonel is instructing his troops to go into the sporting goods store to retrieve all the form ATF 4473's. Holy distributed databases, Batman, we do have a national gun registry! The 20 year holding period can mean nothing else. Yet there is no hue and cry over this. Remarkable.
39 posted on 03/24/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: jim_trent

Even more support for my #39 premise.


40 posted on 03/24/2006 7:52:43 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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