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To: JamesP81

California and New York are listed as Right-To-Carry, but aren't really - you pretty much can't get a permit there unless you're rich, famous, well connected, or a politician.


3 posted on 03/23/2006 1:54:11 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
California and New York are listed as Right-To-Carry, but aren't really - you pretty much can't get a permit there unless you're rich, famous, well connected, or a politician.

That "47" number is deceptive, all right. They should be talking about "Shall Issue" states. I guess the NRA is trying to show how out of the mainstream the remaining 3 are, but the "Shall Issue" number is in the high 30's anyway, I think. One step at a time, I guess. Incrementalism worked for the commies for decades, it can work for us.

9 posted on 03/23/2006 2:09:51 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Spktyr

[California and New York are listed as Right-To-Carry, but aren't really - you pretty much can't get a permit there unless you're rich, famous, well connected, or a politician.]

I can't speak for NY but I was humbly corrected on FR by a citizen of N. California when I stated something similiar here. I was a 3 year resident in the San Fran Bay area of California. A permit was nearly impossible to get in the San Fran part. The fellow Freeper aggressively called me out as being wrong and noted that the issue is regional in California.


10 posted on 03/23/2006 2:14:54 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Not today.)
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To: Spktyr

I prefer the term "May Issue" and "Shall Issue".

New York is a "May Issue" state.


19 posted on 03/23/2006 2:41:54 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Spktyr
California and New York are listed as Right-To-Carry, but aren't really - you pretty much can't get a permit there unless you're rich, famous, well connected, or a politician.

Same here in the peoples republic of md. Even though the law says "shall issue" it's up to the State Police to decide if you really need a carry permit.

31 posted on 03/23/2006 5:33:36 PM PST by rllngrk33 (The RATs and Media are the enemy.)
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To: Spktyr

And North Carolina has so many exceptions in it's right to carry law, that it seems more like an entrapment plot to criminalize law abiding citizens,than a right to carry.


35 posted on 03/23/2006 6:06:33 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (President Bush isn't absolutely perfect,but he is absolutely less flawed than his critics .)
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To: Spktyr

Like Imus.


43 posted on 03/24/2006 8:20:49 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Spktyr

It's not that difficult here in NY. $150, 4 references and infinite patience (stated 6 month background check is closer to 1 year).


44 posted on 03/24/2006 8:38:35 AM PST by printhead
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To: Spktyr

I New York is this true upstate? I thought it was local issue.


49 posted on 03/24/2006 11:53:40 AM PST by Reagan 76
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