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Mrs. Clinton Says G.O.P.'s Immigration Plan Is at Odds With the Bible
NY Times ^ | 3/23/ | Nina Bernstein

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:28:28 PM PST by Crackingham

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership that is constantly talking about values and about faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of legislation," she said of the measure, which was passed by the House of Representatives in December and mirrored a companion Senate bill introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said. "We need to sound the alarm about what is being done in the Congress."

Mrs. Clinton, who is running for re-election this year and is leading in polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke at a news conference in Manhattan with more than 30 immigrant leaders after meeting with them privately.

The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mounting urgency, as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure, and tens of thousands of immigrants around the country stepped up a series of protest rallies in anticipation of a Senate vote on competing immigration bills next week.

Mr. Frist's bill, like the House measure, would make it a crime to be in the United States without proper papers and would add guards and fencing along the Mexican border, and speed deportation.

Some versions, including one proposed by Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, would expand the definition of alien smuggling to include help to illegal immigrants already here.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: SoldiersPrayingMom

I have read that in my Bible - I also have posted it several times on these anti-immigration threads - thanks for answering my question though. Did you know that HR 4437 would make it illegal for the Church to offer an illegal alien a hot meal and shelter for the night?


201 posted on 03/23/2006 3:29:50 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: infidel29

Did you read HR 4437 section I quoted above?


202 posted on 03/23/2006 3:30:36 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Let me respond in partial support ...

Should the Church 'turn in' illegals? I think not.

Should the Church 'turn in' spouse abusers? your answer?

The Church is not an arm of the State, and vice versa.

p.s. researching the history of Sanctuary will not land you in the Bible. It will land you in the doctrine and practice of the RCC in the Middle Ages and beyond. ;-) Remember that acolytes used to be armed guards, not boys in robes. Also, churches were designed to be able to secure the alter from the congregation, in case of attack. The medieval church was not really terribly scriptural in many of it practices.
203 posted on 03/23/2006 3:31:04 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag

I will definitely weigh anything I find against the Truth of Scripture - thanks.


204 posted on 03/23/2006 3:37:05 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: goldstategop; Spinsharp; cgk; Victoria Delsoul; Soul Seeker; HiJinx

I think Jesus put it quite well.

"Give to Caeser what is Caeser's, and to God what is God's."

If the government enacts an immigration plan to cut down on illegal immigration, then that is the business of Caeser.


205 posted on 03/23/2006 4:01:55 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Abortion)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

not a valid argument, scripturally. In scriptures, all secular laws except denying God were to be obeyed.

I challenge you to find scripture to the contrary.

Whether is was Jesus Himself or Paul writing to the Romans or the Hebres or the Corinthians, clearly Christians are called to righteousness - and righteousness includes LEGAL civil deportment.


206 posted on 03/23/2006 4:16:22 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Crackingham
"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself,"

I'm at a loss for words. This is just so ridiculous.

207 posted on 03/23/2006 4:17:33 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Crackingham


LMAO @ this idiot! Exactly WTH does either Clinton know about morals, scruples, principles, etc?????


208 posted on 03/23/2006 4:21:20 PM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Perhaps you would understand if you read this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601472/posts?page=355#355


209 posted on 03/23/2006 4:25:18 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Yeah, sure. The first time anyone is prosecuted for something like that will be the last time the Federal prosecutor who pursues the case will be employed.


210 posted on 03/23/2006 4:42:35 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Blueflag
In scriptures, all secular laws except denying God were to be obeyed.

That's what I was saying in my post. What were you reading it as?

211 posted on 03/23/2006 4:42:40 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Abortion)
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To: Alberta's Child

Not if Tom Tancredo get elected President ; )


212 posted on 03/23/2006 4:48:22 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Did you know that HR 4437 would make it illegal for the Church to offer an illegal alien a hot meal and shelter for the night?

I've read 4437. I didn't see that wording. Please point it out.

Here is how I would handle the situation if I ran across an illegal alien seeking help. If he's hungry, I will feed him. If he is being harmed and is innocent, I will defend him. If he is injured, I will dress his wounds. If he is cold, I will give him shelter.

Then, I'll call ICE and demand he be sent home. And so should the church.

213 posted on 03/23/2006 4:53:54 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: clawrence3; Alberta's Child; FormerLib; Waco; Fruit of the Spirit; Blueflag; Holicheese; ...
Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?

The answer is clear:

Yes

First of all, the point and purpose of the Church allegedly is to worship God, preach the Gospel, disciple the new believers and prepare the saints, not undermine government authority.

The purpose of the individual believer is to do all of the above plus those Golden Rule things. Note that the individual is also admonished not to work against the Authorities.

Now as you act as a classic liberal deconstructionalist in corrupting what is meant by "helping", redefining what is meant by "church" and introducing relative morality in the glossing over of a criminal act by glibly saying "regardless of their immigration status" you demonstrate a manifest hostility towards the true Gospel by your insulting caricature of it in the same manner and spirit as Mrs. Bill Clinton mangled it.

Since Romans 13 confirms that authority of the governing agency by declaring that they are placed in position by God for God's own Purposes, and since the Church at large is told to be obedient to these authorities (as difficult as it may be at times), then there is no place for you, or anyone else to take a clear command of God and make it optional based on feelings.

If the Government were to "criminalize" a particular act of "helping" - they are within their Rights as ordained by God to do so - regardless of your or my opinion.

If you feel that the law is unjust and goes against Scripture, you are fully within your rights to violate that law under whatever rational you provide understanding that while consciously violating that law you are also subject to the punishments that accompany your disobedience.

214 posted on 03/23/2006 4:56:15 PM PST by Shomer (More Great News and Insights From The Blue Bird of F'ing Joy)
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To: Crackingham

She did it again...... I think she departed from her script and went a bridge to far. Her script was good samaritan and she couldn't help bringing Jesus in to the statement.

I bet her handlers were really pissed at her lack of self control


215 posted on 03/23/2006 5:00:13 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Shomer

Not at all - I am ready to go to jail for it.


216 posted on 03/23/2006 5:00:39 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: WatchingInAmazement

I posted the quote and link above - if you can't find it by tomorrow, let me know. Bye.


217 posted on 03/23/2006 5:01:27 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Crackingham
That (Hillary's) was the most absure and vile invocation of Jesus' name which I've ever heard used, barr none. Quite frankly, I despise when people use their perception of Christ to say that, "Jesus would never do this, or Jesus would never like that."

To me, it is the epitome of phony piety and should be avoided like the plague.

218 posted on 03/23/2006 5:04:45 PM PST by Edit35
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To: clawrence3; Shomer

That's nice. You go to jail where you effectively become a burden on society and all of your charitable works come to an end and we'll make sure the illegals get deported and that any criminal agencies that organized to assist the illegals get shut down under RICO.


219 posted on 03/23/2006 5:07:37 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: clawrence3
Sure. LOL.

These religious organizations aren't opposing this proposed law because they are afraid of being prosecuted for accommodating illegal aliens at soup kitchens, shelters, etc. They are opposed to it because they realize that it will basically prohibit them from "helping" these illegal aliens gain access to taxpayer-funded government services. That's probably about 95% of what they do (Catholic Charities is a classic example of this), and that doesn't fit any objective or Scriptural definition of the word "charity."

220 posted on 03/23/2006 5:09:52 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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