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Pulled over in Kansas? Get ready to show your license, registration — and fingerprints
Kansas City Star ^ | 3/22/06 | BENITA Y. WILLIAMS

Posted on 03/22/2006 11:08:37 AM PST by Rebelbase

If you are stopped by police in Kansas, don’t be surprised if the officer pulls out a little black box and takes your fingerprints.

The gadget allows officers to identify people by fingerprints without hauling them to the police station.

Over the next year the Kansas Bureau of Investigation will test 60 of the devices with law enforcement agencies around the state. State officials said similar tests are being planned for New York, Milwaukee and Hawaii.

“This is definitely new,” said Gary Page, Overland Park Police Department crime lab. “It’s been talked about, but as far as I know they are not in use anywhere in the metro.”

The tests in Kansas are part of a bigger $3.6 million upgrade to the KBI’s statewide fingerprint database, unveiled Tuesday by the KBI and Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline.

■ The system:

Called the Automatic Fingerprint Identification System, it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas. The Missouri Highway Patrol maintains a similar database. Both systems link to the FBI fingerprint database.

■ How it works:

In Kansas, 54 law enforcement agencies have traded the ink-and-paper fingerprinting method for biometric imaging, which electronically scans a digital image of the print. Sixty Missouri agencies use biometric scanning. Police also can scan the fingers of corpses and people they arrest to match them against prints in the system. Results are obtained in seconds instead of hours. The inked cards still used by some smaller departments are also scanned into the statewide systems.

■ Why upgrade?

Kansas could no longer locate replacement parts or anyone to service the old system, which was launched in 1990 and upgraded in 1998. The first phase was funded with a $752,000 homeland security grant. The KBI is applying for similar grants to pay the balance. All upgrades should be completed by January 2007.

■ The portable devices:

Police place a person’s two index fingers on a screen. Wireless technology sends the image to the database for comparison. Prints scanned in the field will not be stored.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4a; 4thamendment; bigbrother; brownshirts; donutwatch; fingerprints; fourthamendment; guilty; leoabuse; papersplease; police; policestate; tillproveninnocent
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To: Pablo64
(I really miss Colorado - sigh!)

LOL, yeah, I really miss North Carolina. Seems everyone has somewhere else they'd rather be. *sigh* Such is life.

101 posted on 03/23/2006 4:39:50 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: Rebelbase

And why would any cop want to spend extra time grabbing a couple of fingerprints? Can't they check the LICENSE against a database of criminal records right there in the squad car? If it's a face license (one rationale for getting fingerprints), the lack of a DMV record will knock him out right there!


102 posted on 03/23/2006 4:46:33 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
face license = fake license d-oh!
103 posted on 03/23/2006 4:47:09 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: DoughtyOne

They'll be duly erased, after the weekly backups, of course.


104 posted on 03/23/2006 4:47:41 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: MineralMan

Something like this would probably get a cooler reception on DU than FR, sad to say.


105 posted on 03/23/2006 4:49:10 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Rebelbase

Sounds like this top-notch surveillance ought to be feasible on our southern border if it can be implimented in KS.


106 posted on 03/23/2006 4:50:54 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Calm down everybody. This only happens to you if you respond to the officer in English.

Freepmail me. I'll give you the address to which YOU are going to send the cleaning service to take care of my monitor. ROFL!!!!!

107 posted on 03/23/2006 4:56:59 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Mojave
I tell ya, it's a slippery slope, Mojave. First they install them there two-way radios in the police car, then those new-fangled computers, now this.

Boy, I long for the old days where they hauled your a$$ down to the precinct and took half a day to figure out who you were.

108 posted on 03/23/2006 5:09:24 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

LOL. A craftsman is always gratified to hear his work praised.


109 posted on 03/23/2006 5:09:50 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: trebb
"I don't even wipe down hotel rooms when I travel on business and I use restaurant water glasses without gloves."

But ... but ... the Holiday Inn could run your prints against the Holiday Inn Worldwide Fingerprint Database (linked to the Marriott AND Motel 6 databases, as you know) and find out that you once refused to pay the $23.50 for the macadamia nuts from the minibar and refuse to ever allow you back.

Aren't you even the slightest bit concerned about this?

110 posted on 03/23/2006 5:26:13 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: NeonKnight
it is a statewide database of more than 10 million fingerprints taken from people arrested in Kansas.

Not bad for a state boasting a total population of about 2.2 million.

Perhaps that's 2.2 million Americans, and 7.8 illegals...

111 posted on 03/23/2006 5:31:06 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: robertpaulsen
Aren't you even the slightest bit concerned about this?

Not really - the fact that we require a license to drive, and the implication that there is a method for positive identification moots the whole point. If they try to implant something in me for the purpose of controlling me wherever I am, or insist on identification to buy food and other essentials, then I will become very worried and fight it with everything I have.

112 posted on 03/23/2006 6:43:39 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: hattend

Yes, seems so doesn't it.


113 posted on 03/23/2006 6:52:01 AM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: The Red Zone

Agreed


114 posted on 03/23/2006 6:52:22 AM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: KoRn
Your question matches mine -- what happens if you refuse? I was always lead to believe that they only fingerprinted you when you were actually under arrest.

Think about job applications -- one of the questions they always ask is, "Have you been arrested, fingerprinted, et al?" How do you answer if you've undergone this process?

I'd think this might fall under fourth amendment issues...

115 posted on 03/23/2006 6:59:53 AM PST by Malacoda (The Posting Police need an enema.)
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To: Mojave

Keep licking that boot.


116 posted on 03/23/2006 7:41:22 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Supernatural

Well, they are both here now, and just as we predicted, they think it's a fabulous idea.


117 posted on 03/23/2006 7:42:56 AM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
We could have bet the farm on it. Those guys like government jack-booted thugs preying on American citizens.

They are consistent.
118 posted on 03/23/2006 7:48:24 AM PST by Supernatural (Ea wull staun ma groon, Staun ma groon al nae be afraid)
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To: Malacoda
"I'd think this might fall under fourth amendment issues..."

I agree. Assuming The Constitution means anything anymore. Even with a 'Conservative' in the White House it continues to be ripped to shreds.

119 posted on 03/23/2006 7:58:52 AM PST by KoRn
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

>>It seems like a lot more money and effort is put into
>>identifying and successfully prosecuting routine traffic
>>violations then crimes involving identity theft and
>>credit card fraud.

Follow the money, traffic citations have become an ever larger piece of city and state budgets, I can see it now…

Officer: Chief, I need a raise.
Chief: You don’t bring in enough revenue to get a raise.
Officer: My evaluations are perfect scores, and Jones…
Chief: Jones brings in an average of $20,000 a month in citations.
Chief: You go out there and raise your average to $15,000 for three months, and I’ll see what I can do.

There’s an old adage in business, you get what you measure, so measure what you want to get.

No, I don’t think conversations like this take place, it’s more subtle than that (I hope anyway).


120 posted on 03/23/2006 8:08:58 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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