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Watts up? A bright idea (Global Warming/Oprah/Environmental Whacko Alert)
Newsday ^ | 3/16/2006 | RHODA AMON

Posted on 03/22/2006 5:14:34 AM PST by Born Conservative

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To: metmom
Not long enough to make any significant correlations.

How about this, then?


141 posted on 03/22/2006 9:20:25 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Your comment is fairly ignorant, but I am sure you are intelligent enough to understand

How European of you to say so...

Your "colder than normal sometimes and warmer than normal sometimes" also applies to the history of earth. Being that Planet Earth is hundreds of millions of years old, the age we live in is a mere blip on the timeline. If earth were to "warm" over the next 1000 years, that is still a small chunk of time in relation to total age of earth, and can very well be a normal variation. Global warming, as propogandized by the media, is a myth. I'm all for conservation, but saying that man is causing the destruction of earth is very presumptuous. Volcanoes cause much more air pollution than man burning gas and oil....

142 posted on 03/22/2006 9:23:17 AM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: cogitator

Especially the further away humans are away from the equator.
Global warming however is better than global cooling, otherwize everyone will have to crowd towards the equator, and try live off decreased airable land.
Global warming on the otherhand, may make places near the equator more desert like, but more airable land would be available in more northern regions, along with mild winters.


143 posted on 03/22/2006 9:25:07 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: discostu
No it isn't. All human activity combined (including our respiration and the respiration of our farm and recreational animals) only accounts for 4% of total CO2 emmissions every year. The #1 source of CO2 is active volcanos (Mount Kilauea alone is responsible for around 4% of CO2 emmissions), since they're the #1 source of CO2 then they're probably the reason CO2 is rising. Find a way to turn off 1 or 2 volcanoes would reduce CO2 by at least as much as killing every man woman and child on the planet.

I hate to tell you, you're completely wrong. Volcanoes are not a signficant source of CO2.

Gases: Man vs. the Volcanoes

I can explain to you, if you are willing to listen, why the increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration is due primarily to human causation. But before explaining, you could read these:

How much of the recent CO2 increase is due to human activities?

How do we know that recent CO2 increases are due to human activities?

144 posted on 03/22/2006 9:27:19 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Straight Vermonter

Which IPCC AR are you quoting from? (Or I should say, which IPCC AR is well-known climate skeptic Fred Singer quoting from?)


145 posted on 03/22/2006 9:28:45 AM PST by cogitator
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To: metmom

Thats it. 268 ft. huh? recalculate null and void! LoL


146 posted on 03/22/2006 9:29:29 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Use 60 years instead of 50


147 posted on 03/22/2006 9:30:07 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: metmom

OK, Thanks!

268ft/50years=536ft/century
5280ft/mile
3km=1.9mi=9900ft=18.5centuries=18,500years.

Still surprisingly quick.


148 posted on 03/22/2006 9:32:26 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Done.


149 posted on 03/22/2006 9:34:06 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: Nathan Zachary
On July 15, 1992, fifty years to the day later, 74-year-old Brad McManus stood on the ice cap surrounded by the recovered pieces of his late friend Harry Smith's P-38

Nope.

"On July 15, 1992, fifty years to the day later, 74-year-old Brad McManus stood on the ice cap surrounded by the recovered pieces of his late friend Harry Smith's P-38"

150 posted on 03/22/2006 9:35:43 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: Paulus Invictus
How do these scientists explain the very low temperatures this winter in Europe?

Weather.


151 posted on 03/22/2006 9:36:47 AM PST by cogitator
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To: null and void
Take two:

Use 60 years instead of 50

Nope.

"On July 15, 1992, fifty years to the day later, 74-year-old Brad McManus stood on the ice cap surrounded by the recovered pieces of his late friend Harry Smith's P-38"

152 posted on 03/22/2006 9:36:57 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: cogitator

All the paragraphs in the first link say humans do more but then the chart clearly indicates volcanoes do more.

And the second and third links are pure bunk. They state things as unquestioned that are indeed questioned. Does human activity add CO2 emmissions? Sure. Has human activity lessened CO2 absorption? Sure. Do they add up to enough to account for all of the change in CO2 saturation? We don't know, there are way too many variables involved in the CO2 cycle of the planet that we really know nothing about to be able to say anything definitively. We really can't even say for sure how CO2 interacts with the climate over prolonged periods of time. That's the problem with the entire debate, neither side really knows enough to say anything for sure, the planetary weather cycle is vast and complex, we aren't even really sure what the hell is going on much less why.


153 posted on 03/22/2006 9:38:01 AM PST by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: getsoutalive
Care to speculate as to the cause of the retreating ice caps on Mars?

Global warming on Mars?

If I had a dollar for every time I've posted this link...

154 posted on 03/22/2006 9:38:44 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

That's only 1000 years. There's a weather cycle on this planet that lasts anywhere from 105,000 to 200,000 years. 1000 years worth of data from one section of that cycle is statistically insignificant.


155 posted on 03/22/2006 9:40:34 AM PST by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: cogitator; Ditto
The chart in post 89 shows times of ice age when there were high CO2 levels and times of warming when they were lower. And why was there such a furor over the impending ice age back in the 70's when CO2 levels were rising then? There are too many factors involved in the temperature of the planet to blame it solely on CO2 levels. It could be that the CO2 levels rose because of the increase in temperature as man had an easier time surviving and could focus more enegy on industrial pursuits. A phrase I've heard before on evo threads: Correlation does not equal causation. Nobody really knows what is causing global warming, if it's really happening.
156 posted on 03/22/2006 9:41:59 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: null and void

I know,LoL!

3km = 9842 ft.
268ft per 50yrs= 536ft per century.

9842/536= 18.36 centuries or 1836 years.


157 posted on 03/22/2006 9:42:30 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

1836 years ago romans were growing grapes in Icland.


158 posted on 03/22/2006 9:43:20 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Ah! Then it all fits!!!


159 posted on 03/22/2006 9:44:43 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: discostu
All the paragraphs in the first link say humans do more but then the chart clearly indicates volcanoes do more.

The chart isn't about CO2 or SO2. It's about volatile acids. According to the article, on average, human emissions of CO2 are about 150 times volcanic emissions. Volcanoes emit about 25% of human emissions of SO2.

You said that Kilauea volcano was a major source of CO2 to the atmosphere. It's not.

As for the other links, they explain why increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations are primarily caused by human activities. Definitive science data makes this a certainty. That's all that I wanted you to realize. As for the rest of your convictions about the uncertainty in the scientific understanding of the issue, the only thing that might change your convictions is enhanced knowledge of the issue.

160 posted on 03/22/2006 9:46:02 AM PST by cogitator
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