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Watts up? A bright idea (Global Warming/Oprah/Environmental Whacko Alert)
Newsday ^ | 3/16/2006 | RHODA AMON

Posted on 03/22/2006 5:14:34 AM PST by Born Conservative

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To: discostu
That's only 1000 years.

Please read post 136. Factors that change the climate on time-scales of 10-100,000 years are negligible when the time-scale of change is 50-100 years.

161 posted on 03/22/2006 9:48:24 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

"Scientific Assessment of Climate Change"


162 posted on 03/22/2006 9:49:56 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: null and void

Exactly. That's why there are Viking mooring rocks found along the eastern US coast in maine, remains found in the Hudsons bay, nelson river system, and Lake winnipeg. It was warmer then.


163 posted on 03/22/2006 9:51:00 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: metmom
And why was there such a furor over the impending ice age back in the 70's when CO2 levels were rising then?

The furor was mainly a media creation. For more info:

Was an imminent Ice Age predicted in the '70's? No

There are too many factors involved in the temperature of the planet to blame it solely on CO2 levels.

Very briefly: because we are in a very stable climate regime (alluded to in post 136), factors that affect the climate are fairly well-known. The primary factor that is currently changing rapidly and which will -- undoubtedly -- change Earth's radiative balance is atmospheric CO2 concentration. Because the climate system is complex, the actual temperature increase caused by increasing CO2 is not exactly defined. However, all of the current data (ocean warming, surface warming, lower tropospheric warming,) is in accord with the predicted effect of increasing atmospheric C02 concentrations.

So, to modify your final summary sentence: A lot of people have a pretty good understanding of what is probably causing global warming -- and it is really happening.

164 posted on 03/22/2006 9:55:58 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
The furor was mainly a media creation

Like heck it was. It was Maurice Strong and his UN pals, and the same David Zuzuki idiots that are behind this global warming crap now.

165 posted on 03/22/2006 9:58:20 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Straight Vermonter
"Scientific Assessment of Climate Change"

There are now three IPCC "Scientific Assessments" (fourth due in 2008). The third was much more definitive in attributing climate change to anthropogenic causes. I suspect Singer was quoting from the first one.

For a preview of the fourth one:

Consensus grows on climate change

166 posted on 03/22/2006 9:59:38 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Nathan Zachary
Like heck it was. It was Maurice Strong and his UN pals,

Can you support that statement with an actual reference or article? Have you read the Web link?

167 posted on 03/22/2006 10:00:36 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Sure can. Google Maurice Strong. Power Corp. Half the NGO's in the UN, Etc.
He's a dangerous man who blows into Koffee anans ear.


168 posted on 03/22/2006 10:03:53 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: cogitator

I don't know about any Russian analysis but here is a Polish one.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/zj21c97.pdf


169 posted on 03/22/2006 10:04:42 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: cogitator
So aren't you judging climate change based on last night's weather?

If I were serious, yes.

170 posted on 03/22/2006 10:11:24 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: cogitator
http://iresist.com/cbg/strong.html

http://www.fathersforlife.org/culture/kyoto_connection.htm

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/ark.html

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=3

171 posted on 03/22/2006 10:11:45 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I'm most interested in Maurice Strong's contribution to discussions of global cooling in the 1970s. The rest of what he does or doesn't do is of little interest to me.


172 posted on 03/22/2006 10:17:43 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Maurice Strong, the powerful founder and leader of the Earth Council. Though usually hidden behind the scenes, Strong is no minor player in this global contest for the minds of the masses. He led the UN Environmental Programme, directed the 1972 and 1992 UN Conferences on the Environment and Development,[8] founded Planetary Citizens, directed the World Future Society and founded and co-chaired the World Economic Forum. He is a member of the Club of Rome, trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation and Aspen Institute, a member of the UN Commission on Global Governance, and Senior Advisor to the World Bank as well as to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

Knowing who is the elete of the elite is will help you know what Koyoto and "global warming" really is all about.

It sure isn't "global warming.

173 posted on 03/22/2006 10:19:22 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: cogitator

They might be negligible if you're in the middle of a cycle (mid-ice age or mid-temperate time). But if you're in a change of the cycles, which given that as of 1000 years ago this was the longest temperate time recorded in the ice cores is probable, then the data from long ago becomes important. If we're in a change time or approaching a change time then the data that's most important is the data from other changes from temperate to ice. And of course there's only two ways to know we're in a change time: wait and see, compare current data to everything we can gather from any part in the cycle preferably multiple cycles.


174 posted on 03/22/2006 10:19:58 AM PST by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: cogitator

No difinitive science data doesn't make this a certainty. Because we know that the CO2 levels on the planet have varied dramatically before there were humans so any attempt to say that humans are soley responsible for the current change is silly. Do we bear some responsibility? Yes. But we don't know if we bear most of the responsibility and we know we don't bear all of it.


175 posted on 03/22/2006 10:23:21 AM PST by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: Graybeard58
[ The disturbing part is that teachers are presenting the global warming B.S. as fact and the kids are eating it up. ]

It is a fact.. The earth has been warming for more than 10,000 years now.. else the great lakes would be frozen to the bottom.. The only thing the teachers are NOT SAYING is that its totally NORMAL for the earth to be warming... and that its a GOOD THING..

176 posted on 03/22/2006 10:23:40 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

I agree- the warmer the better. It's only 20f today and it's supposed to be SPRING for gosh sakes! Brrr!


177 posted on 03/22/2006 10:31:24 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
[ I agree- the warmer the better. It's only 20f today and it's supposed to be SPRING for gosh sakes! Brrr! ]

@50 here and I live in Alaska..

178 posted on 03/22/2006 10:34:49 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Straight Vermonter
I assume you are aware that "21st Century" is a Lyndon LaRouche publication?

Now, I took a look at the paper. Based on first impressions, one "argument" is that the scientists are throwing out good data, even if it's way outside the error bars. I think that a more definitive reading of the actual research would indicate that there are a host of reasons for discarding data, both by QC and statistical criteria.

Two, there is significant discussion of corrections. Climate data requires a variety of corrections and adjustments, most of which are supportable on the basis of cross-correlation with other climate data variables. While the author seems to prefer uncorrected data, I think that the research papers will provide sound arguments for why the data was corrected in a certain manner.

I'll remember the paper, but I will stay dubious.

179 posted on 03/22/2006 10:35:10 AM PST by cogitator
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To: hosepipe

Maybe I should move more north, LoL! ND here.


180 posted on 03/22/2006 10:36:45 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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