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Chertoff Wants 'Virtual Fence' Along Mexican Border
ap viz ksat ^ | 3-21-06

Posted on 03/21/2006 4:42:00 AM PST by LouAvul

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To: Ben Ficklin
I've read your little essay on UAVs and like most people with any common sense, I wonder why you didn't compare the UAV to manned aircraft?

I didn't compare manned vs unmanned, because the essay was about unmanned aircraft vs men on the ground.

Now, anyone with common sense, can see that the same would apply to manned aircraft. Aircraft, manned or unmanned can not catch illegal aliens nor stop illegal aliens from crossing. Only the man on the ground or ground barriers such as fences and walls can do those tings.

41 posted on 03/21/2006 11:03:58 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: GarySpFc
the fight against the fence is simply because they want illegal immigration to continue.

Agreed.

42 posted on 03/21/2006 11:05:09 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: LouAvul
including Harry Homeowner who might just hire one or two to build his deck.

That's a stupid idea. How the hell is Harry homeowner supposed to know if someone is illegal (besides picking up the obvious illegals at a Home Depot parking lot)?

43 posted on 03/21/2006 11:07:20 AM PST by SwankyC (1st Bn 11th Marines Semper Fi)
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To: uncitizen
My sister had one of those virtual fences to keep her dog in the yard. It worked like a charm.

Yeah, but it's tricky gettin' the collar around their necks! ;-)

44 posted on 03/21/2006 11:11:33 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Camelot began and ended with a swim...)
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To: GarySpFc
I realize it might not be cost effective to fence from the Gulf to the Pacific, and I will go along with the House Bill which calls for 700 miles of twin 15 foot fence with sensors. However, I can see the hand writing on the wall, and the fight against the fence is simply because they want illegal immigration to continue.

This idea is like proposing a 'partial dam' in a river. Silly, ain't they...

45 posted on 03/21/2006 11:13:45 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Camelot began and ended with a swim...)
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To: SwankyC
How the hell is Harry homeowner supposed to know if someone is illegal

Too start, ask them were they were born. If they were born outside of the US, ask them if they became a citizen or if they are a resident alien. If they are a resident aliens, ask them to show you their resident alien card.

During this 2 minute drill, you should be able to figure out if the guys lying. If he's lying, you probable have an illegal alien infornt of you.

If he asks why you want to know, let him know that you don't hire illegal aliens and you want to make sure he's legally here. If he's legally here, he'll produce.

46 posted on 03/21/2006 11:16:02 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY

After they get this done, we need a two more virtual fences. One is needed up there from Deleware to the southwestern tip of PA to keep Yankees where they belong. The second, which may intersect the first at a few points, needs to be done around the beltway in DC to keep the feds from meddling in things they have no business doing. If the government were still bound by the chains of the Constitution, this would not be necessary. Oh the price of societal "reform"!


47 posted on 03/21/2006 11:17:22 AM PST by 308MBR ("Ah fell in ta a bhurnin' ring o' far")
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To: CPOSharky

Your #2 would require ammending the constitution, which for one I agree with, but it may take more than a few days.

Love the idea of Sherrif Joe being in charge of detention!!!


48 posted on 03/21/2006 11:18:00 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: LouAvul
A .50 cal machine gun placed 100 yards from the border and at 500 yard intervals would make a fine virtual fence. Add snipers as necessary with instructions to identify and eliminate the "coyotes"

A $100,000 fine assessed against employers for each illegal alien employed would remove the financial incentive.

49 posted on 03/21/2006 11:19:38 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: LouAvul

A virtual fence will virtually stop virtual immigrants.


50 posted on 03/21/2006 11:22:40 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: derllak

A virtual fence isn't going to do SQUAT to keep terrorist who are determined to get into this country from getting in. It may stop illegal workers but not the security issue.

Our Government is pushing the edge of the envelope and I swear before God if their inaction causes the death of ONE american citizen IN this country, then every last damned one of them needs to be in fear of his or her life from prosecution by the people.

This is NOT about money, jobs or whether or not some rich jerk can get his azalea's bugsprayed for 1/3rd the cost. This IS about a potential bloodbath in one of our cities.


51 posted on 03/21/2006 11:24:37 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: SwankyC
You are so right. And that is why it is such a bad idea. You can bet dollars to donuts that the only people who will be fined will be the old lady who hired someone going door to door to trim palm trees. Meanwhile the casinos and recreation industries and drug dealers and more sophisticated businesses (insurance scammers and other nefarious transnational enterprises)will go on about their business and the courts will be cluttered up with a bunch of little folks who were reported by their neighbors.

then I suppose the next step will be to incarcerate repeat offenders which will in turn require more jails and more staff and mor attornies and more taxpayer funded services. Talk about vicious circles. Furthermore some of those who wanted to get tough are busy lobbying for increases in the minimum wage that will assure that no one will be able to afford to hire a teenager to cut the lawn.

52 posted on 03/21/2006 11:27:31 AM PST by saradippity
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Yeah! What you said! Plus we could place packs of bloodthirsty pitbulls down there by the border and let 'em have a free for all on anyone who dares to cross!


53 posted on 03/21/2006 11:41:56 AM PST by derllak
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

The border problems are very much organized crime also. Illegals often pay coyotes by smuggling in drugs, false documents are big business. Some employers actually order a certain number of illegals delivered to them so it all get's trickier than people think. Then there is corruption and bribes to officials on both sides of the border. Everyone in the process makes big money off of the illegal who in many cases ends up in a situation very much like slavery.


54 posted on 03/21/2006 11:51:14 AM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: LouAvul

How about a REAL damn fence and a minefield to go with it?


55 posted on 03/21/2006 11:54:56 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: Tammy8

I agree, my point was that Chertoff says their efforts against "organized crime" was very successful.

Wrong! Their efforts against La Cos Nostra were somewhat successful but the gangs are just filling the voids. There was no success against "organized crime", just small victories over a portion of it.


56 posted on 03/21/2006 12:13:20 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (GWBush for Commish of Baseball! It's in his blood! Pass it on.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

My apologies to all you Sicilians (who, btw, are wonderful folks who I hope will allow me to keep my kneecaps intact)

That should be

La Cosa Nostra


57 posted on 03/21/2006 12:14:45 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (GWBush for Commish of Baseball! It's in his blood! Pass it on.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Chertoff doesn't understand much- organized crime is very much alive in the US, both in gangs and border problems. He's a man that can't see beyond the end of his nose, but he is good at the official line of BS, and that is why we have him to begin with.


58 posted on 03/21/2006 12:26:41 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Marine Inspector
You still don't make sense.

If you were going to compare men on the ground, you would compare to manned aircraft because that is what is predominately used.

If we use your logic, telephones and radios don't apprehend illegals, so get rid of them.

59 posted on 03/21/2006 12:49:10 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: LouAvul
Their idea of a fence. It might be too inhumane to them, though.

The image “http://capitalgardens.co.uk/acatalog/border_fence.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.

60 posted on 03/21/2006 1:09:32 PM PST by Rick_Michael
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