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Group: Geico Insurance Rates 'Very Unfair'
reuters ^ | 3/20/06

Posted on 03/20/2006 5:25:49 PM PST by mathprof

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To: PLK
As I read my own post, I think about health insurance. Is the day coming when what we pay is determined by "predictive models" of our health risk? Will morbidly obese smokers be required to pay more? Will thin marathon runners pay the minimum rates?

People who pay for their insurance independently are certainly judged based on actuarial criteria like the type you mention. People who buy their health insurance through their employer are somewhat insulated because their rates are negotiated by their employers and (depending on the size of the company) partially subsidized by their employer as well.

81 posted on 03/20/2006 6:18:23 PM PST by Tamar1973 ("There are some things for which we should display no tolerance." Queen Margrethe II of Denmark)
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To: freedumb2003

"5 years since I quit"

Do you ever have nightmares that you've started again?


82 posted on 03/20/2006 6:19:32 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
$700?? Is it an older vehicle?

In the New York area, our rates apparently have to subsidize the illegals and the "poor" who decide they have nothing to lose by driving without insurance or stealing cars.

83 posted on 03/20/2006 6:20:03 PM PST by Liberator
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To: Indy Pendance

What about a 40 yo that went to tech school ? ;)

Seriously, has anybody considered the types of vehicles driven by members of different groups? I'm sure a Lexus SUV is far safer than a bitchin' Camaro.


84 posted on 03/20/2006 6:20:55 PM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: HangnJudge

You'd think, but the government has the habit of getting involved. Usually some politician in a given state will make a stink about some perceived inequity, ram-rodding legislation through to right said perceived inequity. Warm and fuzzies to all involved, everything is sweetness and light. In the past similar stunts along these lines has caused companies to pull completely out of certain states. "If that's the deal, we'll just leave, no thanks."

The government's answer to this angle is to *force* insurance companies to provide coverage (at reduced rates) to those who wouldn't get written in the first place.


85 posted on 03/20/2006 6:25:15 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Liberator

"$700?? Is it an older vehicle?"

Nope. New Toyota vans about every three years.

"In the New York area, our rates apparently have to subsidize the illegals and the "poor" who decide they have nothing to lose by driving without insurance or stealing cars."

Guess so. Either that, or the insurance companies are reaping some big profits.


86 posted on 03/20/2006 6:27:51 PM PST by dsc
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To: Indy Pendance
(IE, getting into the field for work instead of behind a desk and computers)

For all on this thread the IE stands for "imaginary engineer".

(From a ME.)

87 posted on 03/20/2006 6:28:45 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Indy Pendance
Insurance underwriting is not voodoo. GEICO has a reason for using as part of their muti-tiered model various criteria to determine risk factors.

And so what? What makes me mad is that here is another blood sucking non profit that pays no income tax and is attempting to make money and damage a company that makes money, pays taxes and does something worthwhile.

Did you know that there are over 1 million nonprofits in America? Way too many of them are in business to either enrich their handlers or push their own little political agendas. WE NEED NONPROFIT CORPORATION REFORM!

Consider this. Consumers Union, the people that publish Consumers Report are a non-profit. They took in $192 million last years and have $400+ million in assets. Why are they a "charity"? Why is PETA or the ADL who pays Abe Foxman $400,000+ a year charities?

88 posted on 03/20/2006 6:31:05 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: George from New England
What crime would I be commiting IF I LIED about my education on a Geico application?

Fraud.

89 posted on 03/20/2006 6:32:56 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Warren_Piece; Professional Engineer
All that is taken into consideration. The age groups, male, female, type of car, etc. It's mapped down to a science. Actuaries can predict if you are W years old, X educated, drive Y car, the statistical chance you'd get a dui is Z. I'm sure someone with a Lexus SUV is going to take care of his car less than someone with a bitchin' HOT camaro. The camero guy, probably has more to lose if his car is HOT and gets in an accident, because of the blood, sweat and tears factor. He's put his life into it, where the lexus guy walked to a dealer, got his car and drove away. If he gets into an accident, oh well, insurance will take care of it. The 'dude' with the rusty '67 camaro probably doesn't give two beans. All these variables are taken into consideration. Not one size fits all. But, there are models to start with, which rates are established. It's interesting work, if you're into analysis.

PE, follow my thoughts up the thread, I'm sure you can add insight.
90 posted on 03/20/2006 6:33:19 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Liberator
GEICO'S rates are so "unfair" I saved $3500 on my auto insurance.

Hate to tell you this but my entire annual Geico premium for three vehicles is just under $700. I did get a quote from AARP (DIDN'T join), and it is $100 cheaper yet.

91 posted on 03/20/2006 6:33:36 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Last Dakotan

Ah, a glorified auto mechnic speaks! (my brother and I have these battles often, good fun)


92 posted on 03/20/2006 6:34:53 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: isthisnickcool

This company is non-profit? I didn't know that.


93 posted on 03/20/2006 6:35:53 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

'live good in the midwest'

Those aren't shooting stars. They are .40 S&W from Detroit.


94 posted on 03/20/2006 6:36:36 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Per-Ling

USAA was the insurer of someone who hit my daughter a couple of weeks ago. They handled it properly and promptly from our perspective.


95 posted on 03/20/2006 6:37:28 PM PST by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Westlander

I use 10 W 30. :)


96 posted on 03/20/2006 6:38:35 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: dsc

"Do you ever have nightmares that you've started again?"

It certainly comes up in my dreams a LOT. What is wild is in the first few years, I would actually almost start to take a drag and then I would wake up with sweats as bad as a pursuit nightmare.

But in the last few years, I turn smoking down, even in my dreams (but the temptation in my dreams is as strong as in real life after a few beers). When you turn it down in your dreams, you know your subconscious is on board.

But I understand addiction very deeply. If I didn't care if I lived, then I would probably go back. My love for my wife keeps me strong. I want wonderful sunset years with my wife. I owe her that and it is important I be there or the picture is flawed.


97 posted on 03/20/2006 6:41:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Maceman
Geico is not licensed in Massachusetts.

LOL!!! Hey, don't knock it; if you know MA, THAT'S and ENDORSEMENT!

98 posted on 03/20/2006 6:43:42 PM PST by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: Tamar1973
People who pay for their insurance independently are certainly judged based on actuarial criteria like the type you mention.

Yes, you are right. I wonder if the day will come, though, where all health insurers, private as well as corporate and government, will base rates on level of health risk. I don't have an opinion at this time, but it is something to ponder.

99 posted on 03/20/2006 6:45:05 PM PST by PLK
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To: mathprof

I had Geico many years ago and thought I was getting a steal on insurance then I switched to this company called Amica and I had my insurance bill cut in half for having a perfect driving record, I will never return to Geico again. I had a 2001 Ford F150 and paid 1200 a year on full coverage with 500 deductables across the board, Amica was a little over 650 and with just the 250 deductable, now my liabilty on the same vehicle is just 300 for a year.


100 posted on 03/20/2006 6:45:08 PM PST by aft_lizard (....)
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