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Excellent analysis.
1 posted on 03/20/2006 5:25:20 AM PST by Quilla
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2 posted on 03/20/2006 5:29:51 AM PST by lucyblue
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There was a booklet put out maybe about 3 years ago by David Horowitz and FrontPage Magazine titled, "who is behind the Anti-War Left" or something approximately like that.

It is of a piece with what you provided. Thanks for posting your article. 'Pod


3 posted on 03/20/2006 5:31:34 AM PST by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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No one has expressed this truth better than bin Laden himself when he said: The interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide in the war against the crusaders.

The money line.

Either you are with us or against us in the War on Terrorism and the Dems are slowly but surely drifting to the side of the terrorists. It is their Socialist, Anti-Capitalist and Anti-American roots that draw them there. They cannot be trusted with the security of this country.

4 posted on 03/20/2006 5:34:02 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Quilla; prairiebreeze; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; Dog; ..

Good Read ping

Thanks for posting this, Quilla


5 posted on 03/20/2006 5:40:22 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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I followed his description and documentation of the antiWar protestors as being far more than they are being characterized in the media.

For sure these people are NOT simple peace protestors. I wish the media would get that straight. To call them peace protesters is grossly misrepresenting the obvious truth, especially for anyone who has FReeped/attending one of their rallys. They are angry subversives seeking the downfall of America as we know it!

But the author then seemed to go on and on once he started to pin the blame on 9/11. After he started pinpointing 9/11 as the genesis of all our troubles I kinda lost interest in his point.

7 posted on 03/20/2006 5:42:44 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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8 posted on 03/20/2006 5:44:25 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than Dick Cheney's quail gun.)
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When you boil it down, it always comes back to Marxism... socialism.


10 posted on 03/20/2006 5:49:55 AM PST by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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Domestic treason is a greater danger to this country than any foreign terrorists ever spawned.


12 posted on 03/20/2006 5:54:13 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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Kinda preaching to the choir here at FR, however the message needs repeating.

I just wish the above article were made into a 5 minute major news segment on CBSNBCABCCNNPBS. I'm not holding my breath.

13 posted on 03/20/2006 5:55:32 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Quilla

Great Read


14 posted on 03/20/2006 5:58:19 AM PST by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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Never trust an opponent that does not have an alternative plan for the issue at hand.

The Democrats, dedicated liberals, mainstream media and political commentators all offer only criticism of the current state of affairs.

Hence, their agenda must be suspect.


15 posted on 03/20/2006 6:03:18 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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No one should be deceived about their real objective, which is not peace, but the protection of those who have the ability to destabilize the United States by terrorist subversion. By organizing large-scale protests, they try to weaken the government’s resolve to defend the system they themselves seek to undermine. The peace crusade – backed by nearly all of this country’s radical groups – is nothing more than a deliberate attempt to pursue their anti-American agenda under a veil of moral righteousness.

I've been shouting this from the rooftops for years. We need to stop calling them 'peaceniks', 'peace protesters' and the like. They have nothing to do with 'peace', except where it coincides with American capitulation.

16 posted on 03/20/2006 6:08:32 AM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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This is a well done article, thanks!


18 posted on 03/20/2006 6:21:06 AM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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20 posted on 03/20/2006 6:35:23 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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The U.S. government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical.

It's ironic that the people who say this, are the same people who want the government to be more like Big Brother.

22 posted on 03/20/2006 6:45:43 AM PST by syriacus (Would fewer Americans have died in Iraq if the French and Germans had helped depose Saddam?)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts
Vets refuse to forgive Kerry for antiwar acts



In the spring of 1992, he wrote a story about Clinton's conscience - wrestling about the draft while at Oxford. Theses stories by Talbott were big lies. Clinton rewarded Talbott by making him the number two person at the State Department. Sidney Blumenthal - The top White House spin master is a long time friend of the Clintons. Blumenthal is a former member of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).

Look here, from From “Mutiny Does Not Happen Lightly: The Literature of the American Resistance to the Vietnam War”

The game of the rich has caught up to Pig America. The Vietnamese have kicked ass out of U.S. occupational troops. More and more G.I.’s will no longer listen to Pig Nixon’s orders and are turning their guns around on the real enemy. The Provisional Revolutionary Government in Vietnam (Viet Cong) has led the Vietnamese people to complete victory.

–Roxboro School SDS- Cleveland Heights – June 4, 1972

Recently many articles have appeared in the movement press expounding the virtues of deserting and going AWOL. “Come to Canada and be a man.” “Soldiers are pigs,” “To remain in the imperialist U.S. Army rather than leaving is comparable to being a Nazi.” Last year there were, by Pentagon counts,, 250,000 AWOL’s and over 53,000 deserters. This has not made much of a dent in the fighting strength of the U.S.Army. That dent has clearly come from the heroic struggle of the Vietnamese people under the leadership of the NLF and the Provisional Revolutionary Government.

–New York Regional SDS distributed at Boston University - Feb. 22, 1969

Students for a Democratic Society = SDS




Youth Against War and Fascism was on Ho Chi Minh's Pen Pal list. Now THIS gets interesting!

My Dear -------

I have received your letter. You and the progressive American people, especially the youth, feel indignant at the barbarous crimes perpetrated in Vietnam by the U.S. imperialists who have thus besmeared the honor of the American people and the noble traditions of the United States. I am glad to learn that you and many other young Americans are actively endeavoring under varied forms to help push forward the movement against the war of aggression in Vietnam and in support of the Vietnamese people.

With affectionate greetings,

Signed, Uncle Ho

June 18, Nov. 25, 1965



On February 7, 1965, the U.S. began its systematic air massacre of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam). The U.S. also plans to bomb the system of dikes in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam which helps the North Vietnamese from drowning and starving. Just as the U.S. is attempting to drown in blood the liberation struggle of the South Vietnamese people because it is the model for liberation struggles everywhere, so North Vietnam is being bombed to bits because it shows all colonial and former colonial countries, by living example, that Socialism can solve their problems.

–Youth Against War and Fascism, Free University of New York - Aug. 27, 1966



As far as the Vietnamese are concerned, we are fighting on the side of Hitlerism, and they hope we lose. You are supposed to be fighting to “save the Vietnamese people from Communism.” Certainly Communist influence is very strong in the National Liberation Front, the rebel government. Yet most of the people support the NLF. Why ? The war in Vietnam is not being fought according to the rules. Prisoners are tortured. Our planes drop incendiaary bombs on civilian villages. Our soldiers shoot at women and children. Your officers will tell you that it is all necessary, that we couldn’t win the war any other way. We believe that the atrocities which are necessary to win this war against the people of Vietnam are inexcusable.

–Vietnam Day Committee, San Franscisco - Aug. 2, 1966.



“Mutiny Does Not Happen Lightly: The Literature of the American Resistance to the Vietnam War”

Look at the major leaders of the anti-war movement:


· Al Hubbard - Vietnam Veterans Against the War - signed the People’s Peace Treaty of 1971

· Jane Fonda - actress - signed the People’s Peace Treaty of 1971

See post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=59#59 for People's Peace Treaty

· Noam Chomsky, MIT

· Rev. William Sloan Coffin, Jr. Yale

· Rennie Davis, May Day Collective

· Rev. Daniel Berrigan,S.J.

· Dave Dellinger, People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice

· Daniel Ellsberg - MIT

· Richard Falk - Princeton

· Tom Hayden - Berkeley

· Abbie Hoffman - WPAX, NewYork

· Sidney Peck - People’s Coalition for Peace and justice

· Bobby Seale- Black Panther Party

· Benjamin Spock, doctor

· Gloria Steinem - author

· George Wald, biologist, Havard

· Cora Weiss - Women Strike for Peace


Many of the people who signed the various documents in “Mutiny Does Not Happen Lightly: The Literature of the American Resistance to the Vietnam War” appeared again as signers of the “Not In Our Name” ad that appeared in papers all over the country, denouncing Bush and the wars on terrorism and Iraq.



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=8#8
In October and again in November 1969 Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London, England with the support of the British Peace Council, which was backed by the World Peace Council who was a front for the KGB.

Clinton BELONGED TO THIS GROUP TOO.

ALSO ADD POST: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=22#22



May 2, 1967 -- Bertrand Russell's International War Crimes Tribunal opens in Stockholm, Sweden, with Jean-Paul Sartre as executive president. The members of the tribunal are all well-known supporters of North Vietnam, and the "evidence" presented is supplied largely by North Vietnam, the Vietcong, and communist investigators. The Tribunal concludes that American forces are engaged in the "massive extermination" of the people of South Vietnam, and are committing "genocide in the strictest sense."

November 20, 1967 -- A second session of the International War Crimes Tribunal is held at Roskilde, Denmark.

ADD HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=32#32

Senator J. William Fulbright - The guiding hand behind Clinton during this era was senator Fulbright. Bill Clinton was at Georgetown University in 1968 and also had a job in the office of Senator J. William Fulbright. Clinton was an eyewitness to Fulbright's success in destroying the American consensus on Vietnam. Fulbright was an extremist and lead a bitter fight with LBJ and Nixon against America's Vietnam policy. He was not particularly concerned with the truth. After graduation in 1968, Clinton was available for the draft (1-A). However, through Senator Fulbright's influence with the Arkansas draft board and with various lies, Bill Clinton was able to avoid military service during the Vietnam War.

Jim McDougal - During 1968, Clinton also became friends with Jim McDougal, then an assistant to Fulbright.

Strobe Talbott - During 1969, while at Oxford (dodging the draft with the ROTC enlistment), Clinton became friends with Strobe Talbott. Clinton was an antiwar protester in England and Russia during this period and helped organize demonstrations (down with America) that burned the American flag. Talbott was aware of these events. He latter went to graduate school at Yale Law with both Clintons.



Early April, 1969 -- U.S. Naval Lieutenant John Kerry leaves Vietnam and is soon reassigned as a personal aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.


INSERT HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts
From Main THREAD: Mr. Walinsky recalled that Mr. Kerry flew him around the state of New York for several Vietnam Moratorium protests in October 1969.


November, 1969 -- In response to a public call from the Bertrand Russell foundation in New York, Jeremy Rifkin and Tod Ensign launch a new organization called Citizens Commissions of Inquiry (CCI) to publicize American war crimes in Indochina.

December, 1969 -- Kerry requests an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a Massachusetts congressional seat on an antiwar platform.

ADD HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=29#29

On December 12th, 1969 Bill Clinton travels to Norway where he meets with various peace organizations. He later travels on to Moscow on December 31, 1969 and stays for a week. One should remember that Moscow was still supplying North Vietnam with missiles that were used to shoot down American planes along with technicians and military advisors. Some of these advisors participated in the interrogation of American POW's.


January 3, 1970 -- Kerry is discharged from active duty.

February 13, 1970 -- Candidate Kerry tells the Harvard Crimson, "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations," and that he wants "to almost eliminate CIA activity."

February, 1970 -- CCI co-sponsors its first "commissions of inquiry" in Toronto and Annapolis MD, and begins providing accounts of war crimes to the press. During the next few months, the CCI holds events in Springfield Massachusetts, Richmond, New York City, Buffalo, Boston, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and Portland Oregon.

March, 1970 -- Kerry drops out of the Fourth District congressional race to make way for antiwar activist Father Robert F. Drinan, dean of Boston College Law School, and later becomes chairman of Drinan's campaign. Drinan defeats pro-war incumbent Philip Philbin in the Democratic primary and goes on to win the general election.

May 7, 1970 -- Kerry appears on The Dick Cavett Show for the first time, speaking in opposition to U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

May 23, 1970 -- Kerry marries Julia Stimson Thorne in New York.

Late May, 1970 -- John and Julia Kerry travel to Paris on a private trip. Kerry meets with Madam Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG) -- the political wing of the Vietcong -- and with representatives of Hanoi who were in Paris for the peace talks.

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.

August, 1970 -- Al Hubbard asks Tod Ensign and Jeremy Rifkin of the CCI to join with the VVAW, the Reverend Dick Fernandez of Clergy and Laymen Concerned about Vietnam (CALCAV), Jane Fonda, Mark Lane and others to organize national hearings on war crimes. Lane suggests calling the hearings "Winter Soldier," a play on the opening lines of Thomas Paine's The American Crisis: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink for the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." By the end of the month the Winter Soldier Investigation has been planned as a simultaneous event featuring "Vietnamese victims" in Windsor, Canada, and Vietnam veterans in Detroit, connected by closed-circuit television.

September 4, 1970 -- Operation RAW (Rapid American Withdrawal). Some 75 VVAW members begin a three-day hike to Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Along the way they simulate war atrocities against civilians, and hand out flyers to townspeople stating that they might have been raped, murdered or tortured by the U.S. Infantry had they been Vietnamese, and claiming that "American soldiers do these things every day."

September 7, 1970 -- At the conclusion of Operation RAW, a rally is held in Valley Forge, featuring speeches by John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and Mark Lane. Fonda is quoted as saying that "...My Lai was not an isolated incident but rather a way of life for many of our military."

September 11, 1970 -- A VVAW Executive Committee meeting is attended by president Jan Crumb, executive secretary Al Hubbard, treasurer Jason Gettinger, Northeast representative John Kerry, and three others. The organization leadership decides to picket against the National Guard Association in New York, send Hubbard on a "speaking tour" with Jane Fonda, consider an "appropriate induction center action for purpose of making clear transition from citizen to war criminal," and "sponsor turn in of war crimes testimony to UN" after the Winter Soldier event.

September 17, 1970 -- The VVAW protests the National Guard's national convention, handing out flyers that read:


The National Guard Uses Your Tax Dollar:
To support the military-industrial complex
To honor war criminals - Westmoreland, Laird, Nixon, etc.
To applaud campus murders by National Guard units
To encourage armed attacks on minority communities
October, 1970 -- Jane Fonda, Al Hubbard and Jan Crumb raise money for the VVAW and create new chapters through a nationwide lecture tour covering more than 50 college campuses. Fonda and Mark Lane also plug the VVAW during appearances on the Dick Cavett Show.

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience, "I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."

November, 1970 -- After a falling-out between Mark Lane and the CCI leadership, the CCI splits from the VVAW and drops out of the Winter Soldier event. The CCI turns to planning a National Veterans Inquiry in Washington, D.C. in early December. Fonda and Lane continue working with the VVAW on Winter Soldier.

December 27, 1970 -- In Mark Lane: Smearing America's Soldiers in Vietnam, reporter and Vietnam veteran Neil Sheehan savages Mark Lane's Conversations With Americans in the New York Times Book Review as "irresponsible" and details several fabricated claims of American atrocities. Publisher Simon & Schuster quickly cancels future printings of Lane's book.

December 29, 1970 -- Playboy subscribers start receiving the February 1971 issue of the magazine, which contains a provided for free to the VVAW by publisher Hugh Hefner. The ad brings in thousands of new members during the next several weeks.

January, 1971 -- Jane Fonda raises funds for the Winter Soldier Investigation through a series of benefit concerts. Participants include Fonda, Dick Gregory, Donald Sutherland, Graham Nash, David Crosby and Phil Ochs. Fonda is named Honorary National Coordinator of the event.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=32#32

Late January, 1971 -- Newly elected Congressman Ronald Dellums permits the CCI to set up a display of "war crime materials" in his Washington office.

Late January, 1971 -- Canadian authorities deny visas to the Vietnamese refugees who had been scheduled to describe American atrocities in Windsor, limiting the Winter Soldier Investigation to the single event in Detroit.

January 31 - February 2, 1971 -- The Winter Soldier Investigation (see invitation). Members of the VVAW meet in a Detroit hotel to document war crimes that they had participated in or witnessed during their combat tours in Vietnam. During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam veterans and 16 civilians give anguished, emotional testimony describing hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam, including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of entire villages. The witnesses state that these acts are being committed casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209124/posts
Highlights of the VVAW FBI files and John Kerry Section 7

February 2, 1971 -- The VVAW issues a proclamation threatening civil unrest and violence if American forces attempt to interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos. Here are some excerpts:

"We, as veterans of the war in Vietnam, give notice that if Laos is attacked, we will respond at once. We call for mass civil disobedience to take place all over this country. We call for industry to shut down. We call upon the students to close the schools. We call upon our brothers who are still in uniform to close the military bases throughout America and the world. We call on the anti-war movement to shut down the major cities of America.... If this be a threat, let us make the most of it... We have been trained to fight. If need be we will use the knowledge we have gained against those who are seeking to extend this war." -- VVAW FBI Files: Section 02, page 66.

Early February, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet with Vietcong representatives in Windsor, Canada after the Winter Soldier Investigation.

February 16, 1971 -- Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland form "FTA" (F*** The Army), an anti-war, anti-American road show that tours near Army bases in order to undermine troop morale. Skits and songs portray American defeats, soldiers refusing to fight, and the murder of officers by their troops. FTA cast members mingle with soldiers after the shows, encouraging them to desert or to sabotage the Army.

February 19, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet in New York to plan the organization's next action. John Kerry proposes to "march on Washington and take this whole thing to Congress." The protest is designated "Dewey Canyon III," after two military operations into Laos intended to interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

March 14 - 18, 1971 -- Jane Fonda, Mark Lane, and VVAW representative Michael Hunter fly to Europe for a five-day tour. In Paris, Fonda meets privately with Madame Binh of the PRG, then the three activists fly to London, where Fonda alleges American atrocities that include "applying electrodes to prisoners' genitals, mass rapes, slicing off of body parts, scalping, skinning alive, and leaving 'heat tablets' around which burned the insides of children who ate them.'"

March 16, 1971 -- The VVAW holds a news conference in the office of Congressman Michael Harrington (D-Mass.) on the third anniversary of the My Lai massacre to announce the forthcoming protest in Washington, DC. Retired Marine commandant General David Shoup and John Kerry demand an immediate end to the war. Kerry, wearing his medals, describes American soldiers as being "given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in history."

Early April, 1971 -- The VVAW is flat broke the week before the Dewey Canyon III event, with no way to transport protestors. In his book "Home to War," Gerald Nicosia will report that "Kerry immediately got on the phone to some of the biggest Democratic Party fund-raisers in New York and set up a meeting. When it broke up, VVAW was $75,000 in the black, and busfare for at least a few hundred out-of-towners was assured." Writing in "Winter Soldiers," Richard Stacewicz will cite an FBI memorandum dated April 13, 1971 as follows, "VVAW had received fifty thousand dollars from United States Senators McGovern and Hatfield, who... obtained the money from an unknown New York source."

April 18, 1971 -- John Kerry and Al Hubbard appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" to allege widespread atrocities by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. Hubbard is introduced as a former Air Force captain who had spent two years in Vietnam and was wounded in action. Kerry seems to admit to committing war crimes, saying, "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."

April 18 - 23, 1971 -- Operation Dewey Canyon III. More than a thousand VVAW members stage an "invasion" of Washington D.C., where they hold memorial ceremonies, meet with sympathetic members of Congress, camp on the Mall, perform "guerilla theater" -- re-enactments of atrocities against civilians, complete with fake blood -- on the Capitol steps and in front of the Justice Department, and hold a candlelight march around the White House carrying an upside-down American flag. At the end of the six-day event, a number of the veterans throw military medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol in a gesture of contempt. Many shout obscenities or threats against the government. The protests receive enthusiastic coverage in the communist Daily World newspaper on April 20th (Part 1, Part 2), 21st (Part 1, Part 2), 23rd (Part 1, Part 2), and 24th (Part 1, Part 2). Later in 1971, Kerry and the VVAW will publish The New Soldier, a book of essays and photographs documenting the event.

April 22, 1971 -- John Kerry testifies on behalf of the VVAW before the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs. He claims that American soldiers had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan..." and that these acts were "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Kerry also accuses the U.S. military of "rampant" racism and of being "more guilty than any other body" of violating the Geneva Conventions, supports "Madame Binh's points" when asked to recommend a peace proposal, and states that any reprisals against the South Vietnamese after an American withdrawal would be "far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America."

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/Kerry_1971_Testimony.pdf

April 22, 1971 -- The NBC Nightly News reveals that Al Hubbard had not been an Air Force Captain, as he claimed, but a staff sergeant E-5. A later investigation of Hubbard's military records shows that he was never assigned to Vietnam.

April 24, 1971 -- Hundreds of thousands of protestors march in Washington, D.C., led by members of the VVAW. Kerry addresses the crowd, accepting applause on behalf of "the 1,200 active-duty GIs who took part in the [Dewey Canyon III] demonstration." The Daily World is on the job, with glowing coverage of the day's events (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4).

April 25 - 28, 1971 -- Congressman Dellums sponsors ad hoc war crimes hearings organized by the CCI and attended at least in part by twenty members of Congress.

May 3, 1971 -- VVAW members throw bags of cow manure on the steps of the Mall Entrance to the Pentagon, then offer to clean up the mess in return for an audience with an assistant Secretary of Defense. This offer is rejected, and 28 people are arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

May 25, 1971 -- Kerry appears on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer. Asked whether he wants to be President of the United States, Kerry replies in the negative, and calls it a "crazy question."

May 30-31, 1971 -- Several hundred VVAW members march from Concord to Boston, reversing the path of Paul Revere's 1775 midnight ride. After defying a ban on overnight use of Battle Green in Lexington, site of the first battle of the American Revolution, 458 people are arrested and held overnight, including John Kerry. The following day the group marches from Bunker Hill to Boston Common.

June 20, 1971 -- Kerry appears on The Dick Cavett Show to debate Navy veteran John O'Neill, who is representing the group Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace.

July 17, 1971 -- Following a month-long speaking tour of the Soviet Union and other countries, six VVAW and CCI members meet with PRG representatives in Paris to show support for the communist peace plan.

July 20, 1971 -- Leaders of the VVAW hold a staff meeting. They agree to use the designations favored by North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of Vietnam) and the Vietcong (Provisional Revolutionary Government) for future press releases, decide to remove all American flags from VVAW offices, and discuss how best to handle Al Hubbard's planned trip to Hanoi.

July 24, 1971 -- The Daily World features a photograph of John Kerry speaking in support of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (Vietcong) Seven Point Plan.

August, 1971 -- The FBI opens a full investigation of the VVAW to "determine the extent of control over VVAW by subversive groups and/or violence-prone elements in the antiwar movement," noting that "sources had provided information that VVAW was stockpiling weapons, VVAW had been in contact with North Vietnam officials in Paris, France, VVAW was receiving funds from former CPUSA members and VVAW was aiding and financing U.S. military deserters. Additionally, information had been received that some individual chapters throughout the country had been infiltrated by the youth groups of the CPUSA and the SWP [Socialist Workers Party]." Source: FBI Memorandum to Senate Select Committee, 12/2/75, pp. 2-3; Hearings, Vol. 6, Exhibit 72.

August, 1971 -- VVAW Executive Committee member Joe Urgo travels with other antiwar leaders to North Vietnam, where he meets with Prime Minister Pham Van Dong and others. According to FBI records, (see PDF file) Urgo makes the following proposals to the communist leaders: 1) that the VVAW make tapes to be broadcast over Radio Hanoi to get U.S. troops to stop fighting, and 2) to send a VVAW delegation to Hanoi in the near future.

Late August, 1971 -- Kerry and Hubbard meet with leftist millionaires in East Hampton to promote the VVAW and show film clips of atrocity claims from the Winter Soldier Investigation. According to the New York Times, a request for funds had the attendees "scrambling for pens and checkbooks."

Early November, 1971 -- According to FBI records, (see PDF file) Al Hubbard meets with the North Vietnamese and Vietcong delegations in Paris. Hubbard's trip comes in response to an invitation to "VVAW, Communist Party (CP) USA, and left wing group in Paris, name unrecalled," and is financed by the Communist Party USA.

November 7, 1971 -- John Kerry tells the Sunday Oklahoman that the political power structure within the United States can and must change if the nation is to avoid violent efforts to seize power, saying, "If it (the government) doesn't change we are asking for trouble. If it is not done, those who are talking about seizing it will have every right to go after it." [see page 251 of Section 10 of the VVAW FBI files]

November 12 - 15, 1971 -- the VVAW leadership meets in Kansas City. Fearing surveillance by authorities, the group relocates the meeting to another building. They debate, then vote down a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Despite John Kerry's claim to have left the VVAW before this event, several witnesses, meeting minutes and FBI records eventually place Kerry at the Kansas City meeting.

November 15, 1971 -- After trying unsuccessfully to have Al Hubbard removed from the group's leadership, John Kerry resigns from the Executive Committee of the VVAW for personal reasons. Kerry will continue to represent the organization in interviews and public appearances for several months.

December 26, 1971 -- Fifteen VVAW protesters take over the Statue of Liberty for some 40 hours and drape an upside-down American flag across the statue's face. Per the New York Post, the VVAW later receives a "congratulatory message" from Vietcong negotiator Le Mai in Paris.

December 27, 1971 -- Twenty-five VVAW protesters take over the Betsy Ross House in Philadelphia.

December 28, 1971 -- 150 VVAW protesters splash bags of blood in front of the White House, then take over the Lincoln Memorial. 87 are arrested. John Kerry tells the New York Times that he is helping raise bail money for some of the demonstrators.

January 11, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at Dartmouth College.

January 25, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "People's State of the Union" in Washington, D.C.

February, 1972 -- A VVAW delegation attends a World Assembly for Peace and Independence of the People of Indochina in Versailles, France.

April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City.

July 8 - 22, 1972 -- Jane Fonda visits Hanoi, where she makes numerous radio broadcasts to American and South Vietnamese military personnel encouraging mutiny and desertion, while repeatedly claiming that the United States is committing war crimes in Vietnam. Fonda also visits American prisoners, reporting on the air that they are being "well cared for" and that they wished to convey their "sense of disgust of the war and their shame for what they have been asked to do." Upon leaving North Vietnam, Fonda accepts from her hosts a ring made from the wreckage of a downed American plane.

July 29 - August 12, 1972 -- Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark travels to Hanoi on behalf of the communist Stockholm International Commission for Inquiry. Clark denounces the U.S. bombing of North Vietnam and visits American POWs, reporting that they are in good health and their conditions "could not be better."

September 18, 1972 -- John Kerry's brother Cameron and Vietnam veteran Thomas Vallely are arrested in Lowell, Massachusetts in the basement of a building that houses both Kerry's campaign headquarters and those of opposing candidate Tony DiFruscia. Cameron Kerry and Vallely are charged with breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny. Kerry will win the Democratic nomination for a Massachusetts congressional seat the next day, but lose in the general election to Republican Paul Cronin. Thomas Vallely will later become director of the Vietnam Program at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

Late 1972 -- The U.S Congress votes to eliminate funding for military operations in Indochina.

THIS goes HERE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=32#32

Sandy Berger - Clinton met Berger when they were working for McGovern's 1972 presidential campaign. Sandy Berger opposed the Vietnam War not by protesting but working to get like-minded candidates -- Bobby Kennedy, George McGovern -- elected. The connection also extends to Senator Fulbright who joined his law firm after retiring from the Senate in 1975. Fulbright became a role model for Berger.


January, 1973 -- The Nixon Administration signs the Treaty of Paris.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=59#59

The People's Peace Treaty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=63#63

· Signed: Amongst others, John F. Kerry!

· Al Hubbard - Vietnam Veterans Against the War - signed the People’s Peace Treaty of 1971

· Jane Fonda - actress - signed the People’s Peace Treaty of 1971


February and March, 1973 -- American prisoners of war are released by North Vietnam. They report having been starved, beaten and tortured by their captors, in an effort to make them sign documents in which they admitted to committing war crimes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=47#47
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205397/posts?page=164#164
THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR "The MIA Cover-Up"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205397/posts?page=167#167
POWs IN LAOS: SOME STILL SURVIVE HELP BRING THEM HOME

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205397/posts?page=173#173

On April 16, five members of the Select Committee -- Senators Kerry, Smith, Robb, Brown and Grassley -- embarked on a ten-day mission to Southeast Asia. Members of the delegation spent three days in Vietnam. Their purpose was twofold: first, to obtain the necessary assurances of cooperation from senior Vietnamese leaders; and, second, to ensure that those guarantees of access would be carried out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205397/posts?page=179#179

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205397/posts?page=208#208
Hardly likely. In 1971, two years before any peace agreement, John Kerry, a Vietnam veteran who became a peace activist, said that ``points'' presented by Hanoi-Vietcong delegations in Paris, and their conversations with him and other Americans, showed prisoners would be returned. So, he said, the U.S. should not ``stall'' any longer.

April, 1973 -- Jane Fonda calls the freed American prisoners "hypocrites and pawns," insisting that, "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes."

Fall, 1974 -- North Vietnam initiates minor probing attacks into South Vietnam, in violation of the Paris treaty. There is no military response by the United States.

Early 1975 -- North Vietnam launches a massive invasion of South Vietnam.

April 30, 1975 -- Saigon falls.

1975 - 1979 -- Communist regimes in southeast Asia murder an estimated two million Cambodians, as well as tens of thousands of South Vietnamese. One million South Vietnamese are imprisoned in "re-education camps," and hundreds of thousands die there. An additional two million flee the country, with many drowning in the attempt.

1978 -- The original VVAW splits when a minority breaks away to form Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist (VVAWAI), with the larger faction retaining the original name. Both the VVAW and the rabidly anti-American VVAWAI remain in operation today.

1978 -- Former VVAW leader Robert Muller founds the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA). The VVA also describes John Kerry as a "co-founder" of the organization. In the late 1980s, Muller and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (VVAF) will split from the VVA.

1981 -- Muller leads a VVAF delegation to Hanoi, where he praises the communist leadership of Vietnam and lays a wreath on the grave of Ho Chi Minh.


23 posted on 03/20/2006 6:45:49 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Quilla

>>>No one has expressed this truth better than bin Laden himself when he said: The interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide in the war against the crusaders.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1596644/posts
The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terror-Remembering the founding father of the Palestinian movement


24 posted on 03/20/2006 6:49:00 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Quilla; All

The Peace Movement
By David Horowitz 1991
GULF WAR I : President George H. W. Bush

You see them every hour at the top of the local news with their signs of "No Blood for Oil" and their chants of "Hey, hey, ho, ho, George Bush has got to go." You watch their apologists, like aging New Leftist and TV pundit Todd Gitlin, squirm uncomfortably at their reckless passion in declaring America the enemy while failing to condemn the global outlaw Saddam Hussein. You observe in mounting wonder as they descend on Washington to hear their balding Sixties heroes-Jesse Jackson, Daniel Ellsberg, Ron Kovic- call for capitulation on the battlefield and the impeachment of the president.

The troops in these demonstrations are dressed for battle in the old Movement issue (jeans and down jackets, lettered t-shirts, even tie-dyes); the familiar targets are steady in their sights: "big oil," the "Pentagon war machine," and "American imperialism." As always, they claim to be sheep in wolves clothing-despite the war paint, just pilgrims for peace. To disarm their critics, they volunteer their past "mis­takes," like spitting on U.S. soldiers returning from Vietnam. Simultaneous with their present denunciations of U.S. "death squads" in Iraq, they maintain their heartfelt concern for the very soldiers who have volunteered to carry out the mission and whose morale they continue to undermine.

Is the glaring contradiction between the belligerence and malice they project and their claims to good intentions the result of mere pig-headedness? An inability to communi­cate? Or is it the failure of their political camouflage to con­ceal the real motives that inform their passion? As a former partisan of similar movements, I never-in 25 years of political activism-marched in a demonstration that did not have primary agendas just beneath its pacifist surface that were militant, Marxist, and anti-American. The "Coalition to Stop U.S. Intervention in the Middle East" (which staged the January 19 march on Washington) is but another cynical at­tempt by the now discredited left to jump-start the revolu­tionary engines that have recently stalled.

Do I exaggerate? Can the current mobilization be so readily dismissed as an occasion for America-bashing by the unrepentant left? Consider the view of an unimpeachable source, a faithful keeper of the radical flame. Here is an ex­cerpt from Alexander Cockburn's column in the December 31,1990, Nation, commenting on the organizers of the Wash­ington march:

I wish people would stop writing to [sug­gest] that today leftists of principle should espouse the cause of Iraq and eschew criti­cism of Saddam Hussein. This is Marxism-Leninism-Bonkerism of a sort much savored by the Workers World Party, which seems to be the animating force behind the Coalition to Stop U.S. Intervention in the Middle East, decorated by Ramsey Clark.

Most people will not have heard of the Workers World Party, which, according to Cockburn, is the organiza­tion that has put together this new "anti-war" coalition. But I remember them from the Sixties as the only Trotskyist splin­ter to endorse the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956. Thus, the spearhead of this season's "anti-war" demonstrations is a Marxist-Leninist party that defined itself by supporting the bloody invasion that took the lives of 30,000 Hungarians whose only crime was to want their national independence and freedom.

The anti-war coalition favored by Cockburn was the National Campaign for Peace in the Middle East, which held its demonstration a week later on January 26 and was por­trayed by the media as the "liberal" peace contingent. But this turned out to be a distinction without a difference. Jesse Jackson, for example, addressed both demonstrations. The "liberal" coalition was organized by the pathetic remnants of the American Communist Party and its fellow travelers and fronts, like the U.S. Peace Council. Its official coordinator was Leslie Cagan, a veteran New Leftist, and-like the orga­nizations that made up the coalition-pro-Castro, pro-Sandinista, pro-FMLN, pro-PLO, and anti-American.

And it is the same story for the rank and file across the country. As a warm-up to the Washington demonstra­tions, activists held "teach-ins" from coast to coast, includ­ing one at Los Angeles' Fairfax High School featuring Clark, Ellsberg, Kovic, and Jackson. Attended by 1,500 people, the affair was described by the press as the largest "anti-war" demonstration until then. Its official spokesman, Achmed Nassef, told reporters that he had joined the Coalition through the Palestine Solidarity Committee. In other words, the official spokesman for the "peace" coalition was drawn from one of the only groups in the world supporting Saddam's rape of Kuwait.

Nassef also explained that the coalition itself had grown out of groups that had been organized to oppose U.S. intervention in Central America-that is to say, of groups that proclaimed themselves "anti-war" when it came to the struggle of Nicaraguans against the Sandinista dictatorship but pro-war when it came to the struggle of Communist guerrillas against an elected democracy in neighboring El Sal­vador. One of the headliners of the Fairfax High "teach-in" was Blase Bonpane, a defrocked priest who (like all the other speakers over 50) had for three decades supported every Communist guerrilla war in the world. Bonpane even au­thored a book with the Orwellian title Guerrillas for Peace.

In addition to Achmed Nassef's Palestine Solidarity Committee, the "anti-war" coalition sponsoring the teach-in included the Association of Palestinians for Return and the Committee for a Democratic Palestine-support groups for the PLO's terrorist war against the state of Israel. This led a reporter for The Jewish Journal to ask Bonpane whether the gathering was anti-Israel. "Why would someone say the gathering is anti-Israel?" Bonpane replied. "Because we're anti-war? We think that nothing would be worse for Israel than a war in the Middle East. We're horrified that some voices in Israel could be calling for this war." (At a Santa Cruz teach-in two months earlier, coalition members were even less careful in concealing their true animus, carrying signs that read "Zionism Kills" and "Palestinian Blood.")

These hypocrisies reminded me of the last time the left tried to launch an anti-war crusade, which was when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. It was then called a "Stop the War" movement, and its purpose was not to stop the Soviet invasion but to oppose President Jimmy Carter's call for a resumption of the military draft, which he felt might be necessary to counter the Soviet aggression. This should be remembered every time the current peace left hypo­critically criticizes the present volunteer military as "un­democratic," since it was the opposition of the left to a mili­tary draft during the Vietnam War and after that led to the creation of a volunteer Army in the first place. Of course, what the left really wanted-and what the left still wants-is that the United States should have no army at all and should therefore be vulnerable to its Marxist enemies and their Marxist friends.

The Eighties left, which opposed America's stand against Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, was no more "anti-war" than the present left is. It was-like all the lefts that have sprung up since the Sixties-anti-American. As the Soviet legions poured into Afghanistan in 1980, leftist Congressman Ron Dellums (now the leader of the "anti­war" caucus in Congress) told the thousand cheering Berke­ley students who had gathered for a "Stop the War" demon­stration:

From my vantage point, as your Representa­tive, [I believe] we are at an incredibly dan­gerous moment. Washington, D.C., is a very evil place...While [the White House] pro­fesses to see the arc of crises in Southwest Asia as the Balkan tinderbox of World War III, well Ron Dellums sees the only arc of cri­ses being the one that runs between the basement of the west wing of the White House and the war room of the Pentagon.

America is the source of the world's crises and prob­lems. This is the cardinal axiom of the left. It was also, of course, the animating principle of the father of contemporary "anti-war" movements-the one that led to the victory in Indochina of Pol Pot and the Vietcong. In the words of a Santa Cruz student, active in the coalition:

Obviously, this current anti-war movement takes inspiration from its Vietnam predeces­sor. Siphoned through 20 years of anti-Vietnam sentiments, my generation enters its movement more cynically than our coun­terparts of the Sixties....

More cynically, indeed. For what did those "anti-Vietnam sentiments" accomplish, judged by the passage of those 20 years? A Communist-sponsored genocide in Indochina that extinguished nearly 2 million lives and oblit­erated a national culture. A decade and a half of Communist oppression in South Vietnam that killed more than a half million civilians, created nearly 1.5 million refugees (unprec­edented in Vietnam's 1,000-year history of foreign and do­mestic tyrannies), and made Communist Vietnam one of the poorest, most repressive, and-let us not forget-militaristic states on the face of the earth.

This is the real agenda of today's anti-war radicals: to reprise the Vietnam experience of the Sixties in the Nine­ties. In fact, they can hardly wait to repeat it. "Right now our movement is not as big as Vietnam was...," one student orga­nizer breathlessly told a campus recruit, "[but] I think that as soon as a shooting war starts this will be even bigger than Vietnam." Bigger than Vietnam. This is what every radical for 30 years has dreamed of: an occasion that will trigger an ex­plosion of the left bigger than the Sixties itself.

And what is this left? It is no longer a left that pledges its allegiance to Soviet power and worships at the al­tar of the Soviet state-though it was that. It is no longer a left that justifies Soviet expansion into Eastern Europe as a revolutionary beachhead of "peoples' democracies"-though it was that. It is no longer a left that celebrates Chinese Com­munism as a new dawn in humanity's long march into the socialist future or Cuba's gulag as a beacon of Latin Amer­ica's coming liberation-though it was (and for some may still be) that.

It is a left that has been disoriented by the repudia­tion of its socialist paradise by hundreds of millions of former inhabitants. But it is also a left that has not for a single moment put down its weapons in the permanent war it has been waging, since 1917, against the capitalist societies of the democratic West and, in particular, of the United States. Earlier this year, Daniel Singer-The Nation's authority on Eastern Europe-lectured leftists as to how they should react to the rejection of socialism by East Europeans liberat­ing themselves from the Soviet yoke: "Our problem is not to convince the Eastern Europeans that they can change re­gimes by Fabian [socialist] methods....Our duty, rather, is to go to the heart of the matter and to the fortress of advanced capitalism....In other words, our task is to spread the convic­tion that a radical change of society in all its aspects is on our own historical agenda."

In other words, damn the disasters our crusades have created in the East, full speed ahead with our plans to destroy the capitalist democracies of the West. The enemy is within. Or, as Time columnist and Democratic Socialists of America chair Barbara Ehrenreich put it: "As a responsible radical, I believe our first responsibility is toward the evil close to home, and stopping that. In any event, I'm more worried in the long run about the belligerence of George Bush than of Saddam Hussein" (Tikkun, January 1991).

We see this destructive left active today in America's universities, striving to discredit the very culture that created American democracy, attempting to smear America's heri­tage as the imperialist, patriarchal, racist construct of "dead white European males." And we see it in the streets, mobi­lized to oppose America's own right of self-determination and self-defense in an ongoing, relentless assault on Amer­ica's military and intelligence communities that it malicious­ly portrays as the tentacles of a sinister "national security state."

In sum, what the left has become-now that its fan­tasy of a socialist future has been exploded all over the world-is this: a nihilistic force whose goal is to deconstruct and dismantle America as a democracy and as a nation.

Revolution is a form of total war. The radical left sees itself-has always seen itself-as part of an international revolutionary army. The archenemy of this international army is today, as it has been for the last 45 years, the United States. Thus, The Nation, which is the most respected organ of the radical left, defined the terms of the current battle over the Persian Gulf in a front-page editorial called "Choose Peace" in these words:

The choice in the Persian Gulf conflict has never been between sanctions and force. It is between peace and war, between life and death. The party of death, which prefers self-descriptions that cover its thirst for con­quest with appeals to the great tradition of just wars and lesser evils, has since August 2 seen sanctions as a kind of ritualistic fore-play to the violent penetration of an entire region of the globe. President Bush manipu­lated the various United Nations sanctions votes as he sent Secretary of State Baker to bribe and buy a favorable "use of force" reso­lution, putting a specious international gloss on his deadly designs for war. (December 2, 1990)

America is the "party of death"-this is the moral calculus of the radical left. George Bush's America-not Saddam Hussein's Iraq-is the power with the "deadly de­signs for war"-this is what radicals mean when they preach about peace.


26 posted on 03/20/2006 6:50:39 AM PST by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Quilla

They are not anti-war, and they are not for peace. They just believe that we are fighting for the wrong side. Same in Vietnam, same today.


28 posted on 03/20/2006 6:53:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Quilla
Good morning.
"His personal quest is fuelled by an all-consuming loathing of America’s capitalistic society which he dreams of bringing down"

Moore is driven by an all consuming loathing for himself, but he is too cowardly to put an end to his suffering so he edits film.

Michael Frazier
30 posted on 03/20/2006 7:16:33 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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