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Plight Deepens for Black Men, Studies Warn [More black drop outs in prison than working]
NY Times Editorial ^ | March 20, 2006 | Erik Eckholm

Posted on 03/19/2006 9:12:59 PM PST by summer

BALTIMORE — Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics,...

Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men, the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.

...These were among the recent findings:

The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly...dropouts....

Incarceration rates climbed in the 1990's and reached historic highs in the past few years....

In the inner cities, more than half of all black men do not finish high school.

...According to census data, there are about five million black men ages 20 to 39 in the United States.

Terrible schools, absent parents, racism, the decline in blue collar jobs and a subculture that glorifies swagger over work have all been cited as causes of the deepening ruin of black youths. ..

Joseph T. Jones, director of the fatherhood and work skills center here, puts the breakdown of families at the core.

"Many of these men grew up fatherless, and they never had good role models," said Mr. Jones, who overcame addiction and prison time. "No one around them knows how to navigate the mainstream society."...


All the negative trends are associated with poor schooling...

...Among black dropouts in their late 20's, more are in prison on a given day — 34 percent — than are working — 30 percent ......

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: black; blackfamily; blackmales; blackmen; blamewhitey; fatherlesschildren
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To: Enduring Freedom

Self-described victims always blame others for their own failings.

They are, unfortunately, reaping what they have sown.

The welfare state only encourages this failure of culture, whatever the racial background, ie. look at France and England.


101 posted on 03/20/2006 9:05:56 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Can't blame the low-life black underclass for everything. Most of the destructive philosophies and policies under which the inner city public schools are run, were devised by white liberals in elite graduate schools.

I had a college friend who I kept in touch with for a few eyars after college, during which time she first worked for a leftist education think tank, and subsequently went to Stanford for a PhD in Education. Last time I saw her was when she was visiting NYC to do "field work" for her dissertation, about a new teaching training program devised by Stanford ivory-brains and being implemented in NYC schools. The lefto-babble coming out of her mouth was mind-boggling. My favorite was "Our philosophy is that there are no bad teachers. All teachers have strengths, and our program is designed to develop those strengths." Translation, a teacher who is functionally illiterate is not a bad teacher; hey, the kids really like her, so they do what she tells them; the program will develop that strength of hers, of being likeable to illiterate kids, while doing nothing about the fact that she's illiterate.

When you're growing up in a gang and drug and illiteracy infested neighborhood, where your parents are part of the problem, the best you can do is look up to the decently dressed, non-cussing people who work at your school who obviously have jobs, and try to follow their advice. Unfortunately, their advice leads to unemployability. Even kids who really tried to do what they were told by these people was the right thing, get royally pissed off at the world when they discover their efforts were all for nothing.


102 posted on 03/20/2006 9:31:29 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Thomas Sowell has done such studies as you have suggested. The results clearly show how liberalism/welfare has destroyed the black family.


103 posted on 03/20/2006 9:34:37 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Kelly_2000

Those two groups, particularly asians, have strong family bonds. In the asian community the entire family is usually involved in the family business.


104 posted on 03/20/2006 9:37:58 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Scotsman will be Free

And it is going to take a long time to fix.

But I believe it can be fixed.


105 posted on 03/20/2006 9:55:49 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Scotsman will be Free
"Those two groups, particularly asians, have strong family bonds. In the asian community the entire family is usually involved in the family business."

This can't be used as a cop out or excuse for the black community, the other racial and ethnic groups that make up modern America, have no statistic that shows such high crime and drop out in education as the black demographic. This is enforcing my point not in fact....

106 posted on 03/20/2006 10:19:40 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: taxed2death
"....still no reason for our government to aid illegals at the detriment of fellow Americans"

Thats a separate issue you are confusing two separate and distinct issues here

107 posted on 03/20/2006 10:27:37 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000
"....still no reason for our government to aid illegals at the detriment of fellow Americans"
Thats a separate issue you are confusing two separate and distinct issues here


Not really, why ask young folks of African decent to live like illegals, 10 to a room?

This massive invasion of illegals is affecting the blacks far more than the small number of whites to compete for jobs.

For this reason alone, blacks are wise to vote against Dubya, but the Democrat plantation masters will sell them out even quicker!!!!
108 posted on 03/20/2006 11:03:20 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: summer

The Black etablishment has squandered the money it was given and corruptly spent it. The Black leadership in America is no different from the Black leadership in Africa.

They could care less about their constituenmts.


109 posted on 03/20/2006 11:08:52 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: A6M3

as Hollyweird would exalt us to remember,"it's hard out there for a pimp".


110 posted on 03/20/2006 12:08:37 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Muslims pray to Allah, Allah prays to Chuck Norris.)
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To: Kelly_2000

"Thats a separate issue you are confusing two separate and distinct issues here"

Not so...lack of border security is very much linked to entry level jobs in the blue collar sector. To think otherwise is simply foolish.


111 posted on 03/20/2006 12:46:03 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: summer
The first 'black' President.......

112 posted on 03/20/2006 2:34:55 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Spanaway Lori
" You have to believe that you can do better for yourself than the government can do FOR you."

Answer of the day!! Nicely done!

113 posted on 03/20/2006 2:40:59 PM PST by TXnMA (TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
The welfare state has destroyed the black family.

You are so right. We grew up on the brink of poverty... but my parents worked hard and were honest. My brothers and I are professionals.... having worked our way through college. (I'm still going to college even now)

It never occurred to any of us to take advantage of welfare or charity. We were taught that if you don't have something you want.....it's because you haven't worked hard enough to get it. Very simple concept that transcends all barriers of race and culture.

114 posted on 03/20/2006 2:54:27 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: R.W.Ratikal

re your posts #96-100 -- I'm not sure why your posted the same message five times, but thanks for sharing your thoughts.


115 posted on 03/20/2006 4:31:01 PM PST by summer
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To: Kelly_2000

No cop out or excuse. It's simply the way it is. Prior to the 60s, the black family was quite strong and functional. With the advent of welfare, liberal control of govt, the Great New Society and race hustlers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al, the black family bit the dust. Screwed up family life equals screwed up people.


116 posted on 03/20/2006 8:01:02 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: LaineyDee

Exactly so. You had a solid nuclear family that taught you the value of hard work. Had your parents leaped onto the welfare bandwagon, the odds of you accomplishing what you have would have been greatly diminished. If you had no father, the odds of your mother going on the public dole would have increased a great deal.


117 posted on 03/20/2006 8:04:50 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: summer
If you don't play, you a suckah. Keep it real!

If you marry, you a suckah. Keep it real!

If you work for the man, you a suckah. Keep it real!

If you ask, not axe, you a suckah. Keep it real!

118 posted on 03/20/2006 8:21:49 PM PST by gaijin
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To: summer
Wait... ...According to census data, there are about five million black men ages 20 to 39 in the United States.....

That is one kid in sixty, at the elementary school level.

Why is this a topic of discussion?

119 posted on 03/20/2006 8:28:16 PM PST by patton (Once you steal a firetruck, there's really not much else you can do except go for a joyride.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Scotsman, you said, Also, doing well in school incurs the wrath of other blacks with accusations of "acting white".

A teacher friend of mine supports what you describe.

So I ask, just where are the alleged "black leaders" who have the trust of young blacks, and could support academic achievement and personal responsibility?

Has our, ahem, "first black president" done any teensy little thing to promote the acceptance of academic excellence or achievement among blacks?

Or, is it just possible that the Dems and alleged black leaders want to keep black kids on Hillary's "plantation"?

.

.

120 posted on 03/20/2006 8:50:30 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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