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1 posted on 03/19/2006 8:25:03 PM PST by Graybeard58
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Someone on the JSOF will overturn it.


2 posted on 03/19/2006 8:27:06 PM PST by Thunder90
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The policy is meant to create a safer environment for soldiers and communities, not to infringe on personal rights.

"Our interest here is simply to protect the health and welfare of soldiers and promote good order and discipline," Gohlke said. "The intent is not to restrict soldiers' rights."

Tough to say with a straight face.

3 posted on 03/19/2006 8:27:49 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Like all good liberals the General wants to cover his six first..

Not caring about terrorists who might target his people off base..

His law sucks ...but he is the General...perhaps Rummie will relieve him...

But then Minetta deliberately drags his feet keeping our commercial and cargo pilots unarmed...
6 posted on 03/19/2006 8:31:30 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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After driving away from the club parking lot, the dispute escalated when Wilkins and friend Joel Bruney confronted the three men near 25th Avenue. Shots were fired, Wilkins was hit, and Bruney took him to the Fairbanks Memorial Hospital emergency room, where he was pronounced dead shortly thereafter.

By that time, Walker, Cox and Wright had been detained at the Fort Wainwright main gate as they entered the post.

Crail told the jury to expect testimony that would support the claim that the three defendants were unprovoked in the shooting death of Wilkins. She displayed three firearms found in the soldiers' vehicle when they were stopped at the Army post; a 12-gauge shotgun, an AK-47 and a .40-caliber handgun. Crail said she could show that all three defendants had fired their weapons, while Wilkins, who she said had an unloaded shotgun, never fired during the altercation on 25th Avenue.

But Carney said it was Wilkins who was looking for a fight and emphasized her point by playing an explicit recording of Wilkin's music to the jury that specifically named "Ground Up."

The lyrics included lines like, "We'll lay you down and teach you homage" and "We'll put you six feet underground."

Carney went on to say the three defendants were simply enjoying a night out on the last weekend before their deployment to Iraq with the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team. The firearms found in the soldier's car had been used earlier that day for target shooting at the South Cushman shooting range.

Carney said the altercation began when Wilkins reportedly reached inside the car occupied by Cox and Walker, grabbed a bandana and set it on fire. She said the soldiers drove off from the club but were followed by Wilkins and Bruney to the area of 25th Avenue, at which point the shooting occurred.

"The state would like you to believe they, by defending themselves, that there was some illegal use of a weapon," Carney said.

Carney and attorney Geoffry Wildridge, representing Wright, said they would show that Wilkins threatened the soldiers and put them in fear of their lives to the point that the soldiers felt they had to defend themselves.

"They didn't expect Fairbanks to turn into Baghdad," Wildridge said. "They had every reason to believe they were going to be killed."

The prosecution presented several witnesses who were in the area of the shooting in August. Each testified to hearing shots that night. Some said they heard shotgun rounds and pistol rounds, and others said they could not specify what kind of firearms they heard.

The trial continues today and is expected to take several days.

http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%257E7244%257E3258038,00.html


7 posted on 03/19/2006 8:31:51 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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Aren't there, like, big animals in Alaska that you just might need a gun to keep from eating you?


8 posted on 03/19/2006 8:31:51 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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So soldiers can be trusted with weapons civilians can't have,
but can't be trusted with weapons civilians can have?


10 posted on 03/19/2006 8:33:40 PM PST by Boundless
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Alaskans: If you're carrying for bear protection, must the gun be visible, or can you have it under your coat?


11 posted on 03/19/2006 8:35:00 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
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15 posted on 03/19/2006 8:39:12 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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"Our interest here is simply to protect the health and welfare of soldiers and promote good order and discipline," Gohlke said. "The intent is not to restrict soldiers' rights."

How very liberal, he has good intentions as he takes away the soldiers civil rights.

16 posted on 03/19/2006 8:42:52 PM PST by RJL
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"Our interest here is simply to protect the health and welfare of soldiers and promote good order and discipline," Gohlke said. "The intent is not to restrict soldiers' rights."

so taking away thier guns in a state where almost everybody including gun grabbers are armed is going to protect them how exactly ?

17 posted on 03/19/2006 8:42:57 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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18 posted on 03/19/2006 8:43:16 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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19 posted on 03/19/2006 8:43:30 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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I have often felt compelled to carry a weapon for protection but you dont necessarily have to carry concealed. I have never worried about nor had anyone give me any guff over carrying in the open.


20 posted on 03/19/2006 8:44:03 PM PST by Delta 21 ( Democrats -- a 40 year war on poverty and still no exit strategy)
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For active duty soldiers, you are never really off duty so the USA can control this. But this is a clear case of CYA here.


21 posted on 03/19/2006 8:44:17 PM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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The military has long had these policies. Certain branches in the military, and those include the Military Police and the JAG Corps, are made up mostly of GFW's (look it up at Kim du Toit's site) and led by girls (of both XY and XX chromosomes, but girls nonetheless).

Not surprising that it's from these branches that the military's gun grabbers, and the Democrats' "veteran" candidates, come from.

"What did you do in the Army, granpa? Were you a hero in Iraq?"

"No, grandson, I was a lawyer in Alaska, safe and comfortable, working about 20 hours a week to try to put soldiers in Leavenworth for possessing handguns."

However, every Army lawyer we can have in Alaska trying to screw the troops, is one who isn't in the combat zone trying to aid the enemy.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


22 posted on 03/19/2006 8:44:23 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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Ef it, I'd carry anyway.


24 posted on 03/19/2006 8:44:50 PM PST by Supernatural (When they come a wull staun ma groon, Staun ma groon al nae be afraid)
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"Our interest here is simply to protect the health and welfare of soldiers and promote good order and discipline," Gohlke said.

Oh barf. Here, let me pull this little phrase out of my bag of phrases so they'll leave me alone.

I've never understood why the Army makes it so damn difficult to have a personally owned weapon on post. I knew a guy that got busted just for having a few .45 rounds in his desk.

Utterly ridiculous.

38 posted on 03/19/2006 9:03:53 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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Does this apply to the Alaskan National Guard???


39 posted on 03/19/2006 9:05:52 PM PST by Thunder90
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41 posted on 03/19/2006 9:12:05 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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Gun grabbers will have conniptions over this one! On the one hand, anything that takes guns away is good, but on the other hand, they're the ones who say the only people who have a Second Amendment right are soldiers... whoops! Seems this policy wants to disarm soldiers, but no one else. What's a poor gun grabber to do?
42 posted on 03/19/2006 9:16:59 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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