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1 posted on 03/12/2006 10:21:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Attn Euro Ladies: Good looking hot blooded American man of European extract. Intelligent, healthy and virile 45-yrs old. Have passport, will travel around Europe to assist in this repopulation matter. Requires signing a release of paternal responsibility. Terms negotiable. :o)


2 posted on 03/12/2006 10:32:42 PM PST by Looking4Truth (We in the U.S. know the rest of the world is nearly useless and we're sick of carrying their asses!)
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Full integration does not mean completely adopting the host culture. Just as melting pot produces an amalgam; immigrants change the host culture, even if they fully integrate into it. Immigrants should expect to be the ones who change the most -- after all, something positive about the host culture, or something negative about their own, motivated them to want to emigrate.
7 posted on 03/12/2006 11:12:26 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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This isn't a failure of fertility, it's a failure of socialism.

When people have no hope of securing private property and when what little they do gets confiscated by the greedy do-gooder gub'mint, populations have no incentive to procreate.

17 posted on 03/12/2006 11:36:51 PM PST by nightdriver
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The sick man of Europe is Europe...
19 posted on 03/13/2006 1:04:58 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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Interesting.

As one of those old Europeans I have to say that the lack of fertility has its start in a wrong understood emancipation of women. The typical work of women inside of families in not respected by the European societies since the beginning 70ties anymore. There is no benefit of social prestige if a woman is mother to a multitudinous family. In fact kids are a problem in the hedonistic contemporary society. Espechially in west Germany, were there is a lack of suitable childcare for ideologic reasons (the recent conservative gouvernments wanted mothers to stay at home) and young women have no possibility to do a job and have children at the same time.

The only ones who manages to steer against this development are the French! Their socialist governments are offering good and cheap childcare services with the effect that every woman has about 2 kids just like those in the US.

Being a academic educated man and living in good ole Europe I am quite familiar with women who refuse to multiply. The proportion of childless academic women is around 40% here in Germany. During the time I attended univercity nearly all my girlfriends (I had a few) told me that they only want to become pregnant if it will be compatible with their career. Since being pregnant and having kids is never compatible with careers, quite a lot of them never will have a own family.

Another effect of this standpoint is, that others of them are desperately trying to get pregnant when their time to be fertile is simply over after they reconsidered the whole thing. Not all couples are able to get kids when they hit the 40ties.

Last but not least many men simply do not want to have children anymore when they are 40, 50 or even 60. Since it is typical that many woman are much younger than their husbands it can be a real problem for men to start a (new) family in their mid 50ties. I wouldn't do that either. Besides there is a broad movement among European men to renounce traditional families because the divorce rate is at nearly 50%. It is not funny to be a cash cow. The changed moral conditions made it easy in western Europe to live with girlfriends without being married. Nobody cares about the sexual behavoiur of others as long as no one has to deal with material loss or damage.

I am among those who did it quite traditional. I am married to the nicest and prettiest girl you can think of and our three wild little boys are the proof that it was worth doing it.

The funny thing is, that we have many childless female friends with academic grades in their late 30ties, who are absolutely crazy about my kids. Sometimes the boys are really fed up with their "aunts" trying to kiss them all over. Although of course they like the expensive gifts, they hate being a substitute for some frustated friends of ours. We even had to cool down some relationships a bit. Do not get me wrong - not all women are that way, but some are for sure.

I think it is a fact that human nature can not be tricked. If a woman decides to live without her own kids (this can be very reasonable in some cases) she usually has to pay a bitter price.

To me it is a paradoxon that this development never was that grave in America. Although you have also less kids/woman since the apperance of the birth-control-pill there is still a stable quotient over 2 kids/woman.

Besides - watching European immigrants it is interesting that their high fertillity rate shrinks to normal European conditions after the 2nd generation that is living in Europe. That means that Turkish women i.e. have not more kids than German ones with the moment they have intgrated into the German/European society.


21 posted on 03/13/2006 1:33:02 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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I think that France and Germany have come to the realization that the U.S. has written Europe off. The troop pullouts, letting Europe be humiliated in their dealings with Iran and Bush insisting that Turkey be admitted to the European Union (not unlike that special Mafia kiss, before, you know what), pretty much sends a message to Europe where we think they stand in the world food chain.

As an "ally" what do they offer? For what reason or cause, including self-defence, would Europe take up arms, serious arms? The answer, NONE..

The writer, while mentioning the death spiral demographics, fails to mention the emigration of millions of the native young, skilled and the monied to greener pastures, people which America and the free world will "cherry pick". Would you wish to raise a family and hope to prosper in a country such as the Netherlands or France?

The writers last hope is for assimilation, which I don't see happening, other then the natives converting to Islam.

22 posted on 03/13/2006 1:33:30 AM PST by ChEng
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The bad news from Europe is that its birth rates are low, far below the level needed to maintain the current population. The worse news is that the Europeans are not fighting it.

More accurately, Sociliasm is so highly punitive to support, that taxation rates have driven European families to consider finances before family, or face crushing poverty. In fact, in order to maintain some resemblence of a middle class, Europe is compelled to open the gates to unchecked immigration, in such vast numbers that assimilation into European culture is impossible. It cannot be stopped, either, because the need for slave-like labor is required in order to sustain the poverty-level jobs and provide what's left of the middle class an example of what will happen to them should they shirk the responsibilities for the taxes leeched from them. In addition, societal decay and corruption of traditional morality via religion has excellerated, depriving individuals of necessary duidance and even meaning in their lives. Thus the common man or woman are not even interested in pursuing the required foundational building block required to maintain a culture, the family. And as such, the light of Europe is slowly burning out.

26 posted on 03/13/2006 2:13:41 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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It was blindness, not death , that Dylan Thomas was warning against and it is blindness to the threat of islamofascism that Europe suffers from. They need to open their eyes and see the threat. If they can't be bothered to see what's in front of them then we will all have a real-life example of how Rome fell from cultural exhaustion.


29 posted on 03/13/2006 2:30:56 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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The European Governments is like a nagging old b*tch... It is no wonder why their people choose cultural suicide.


38 posted on 03/13/2006 6:09:48 AM PST by Porterville (Sure are a lot of these few Muslim Extremist Fanatics)
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You'll notice that the original article never mentions abortion. Not once.


39 posted on 03/13/2006 6:19:06 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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I've never understood the obsession with European birthrates on here. The EU has one and a half times the population of the US in less than two-thirds of the area, and with a lot less natural resources. Where do you expect us to put all these extra people you think we should be producing?


40 posted on 03/13/2006 6:26:20 AM PST by moatilliatta
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He man, no country is dying. They are going to be reborn!
Who needs boring european culture anyway? Im dutch, do you think we are walking on wooden shoes anno 2006?

Culture changes, like nature.


44 posted on 03/13/2006 6:49:20 AM PST by S0122017
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Not to fret!

Muslims are reproducing like rabbits. They'll take care of that short fall and MORE! They'll kill those who don't agree with them.
45 posted on 03/13/2006 6:52:30 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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I suppose it's too late to ask for a refund on all that Marshall Plan
money we sent them?


47 posted on 03/13/2006 6:54:44 AM PST by VOA
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The biggest cause of this demographic problem, after birth control, is the educational model that feeds our technical world. It takes eighteen years to get through primary school, four more through college, three more in graduate school, and then five or more to start a career, get married and settle into an adequate home.

By that time the educated parent is thirty-two. Her egg fertility has dropped in half. She will have a far higher incidence of birth defects. She will only have time for two, or at most three kids at a rational spacing. The only other option is to allow uneducated people to raise all the kids or import and educate new citizens. It's a recipe for demographic disaster.

This is why my home-educated kids were doing college level work before they became teenagers. Compressing the k-12 curriculum in math and history so that they could skip high school for college level technical and writing courses will have them so far ahead that they'll have time for a life that includes children.

We have a choice: an educated population of child-bearers on an advanced curve, a permanent underclass of breeders, or importing our future workers. It's time we faced reality.

48 posted on 03/13/2006 7:01:03 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Free people, driven to create, will eventually produce a product, with or without buckets of money.)
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The shrinkage of Europe is deceptive because it is gradual. It could, of course, go on like this for a century

I doubt it. If it goes on for a quarter century it will be a miracle.

I predict the Muslims will overplay their hand and strike too early, as they are wont to do in France. Then it will be either outright civil war or quick surrender to Dhimmi status by the natives. I predict the former. It will make the French-Algerian War look like a picnic.

53 posted on 03/13/2006 7:13:01 AM PST by Gritty (Five years after 9/11, it's astonishing how little we still know about the West's Muslims-Mark Steyn)
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If you compare Europeans to non-Hispanic white Americans, can you see any significant difference?

The real reason US birth rates are not European lite is because Hispanic women (which are often called white) are producing babies at a generous rate, even at a larger rate than their Mexican cousins still living in Mexico.

Europe is shrinking, and America is browning.

55 posted on 03/13/2006 7:48:51 AM PST by george wythe
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Technology to have kids?

In high school all it took was a bottle of Boones farm and a dried out protector. Many freinds were young parents (1970s).


58 posted on 03/13/2006 8:35:53 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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For those interested, as I am, in the question of Europe's decline, there is a brand-new book out called Menace in Europe: Why the Continent's Crisis is America's, Too. I have bought it but not started to read it yet.
80 posted on 03/14/2006 11:08:25 AM PST by untenured
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