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Germany to outlaw the Qur'an? (interesting development)
Jihadwatch.org (Dhimmiwatch) ^ | 3/11/2006 | Rebecca Bynum

Posted on 03/11/2006 6:15:53 AM PST by Dark Skies

A translation of this Jyllands Posten article, "The Quran reported to the Police" is here, with thanks to all who sent this in.

A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution.

At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution.

The accuser is “Bundesverband der Bürgerbewegungen (BVB)”, which concerns itself with, in its own words, “defending basic rights and freedoms” against Islam. The extensive international furore, allegedly caused by the Muhammed cartoons, has made clear the relevancy of the alliance. Its homepage is decorated with a Danish flag with the words “Support Denmark! Defend the Free World.” superimposed on it.

The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more.

In several talkshows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that “the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights.”

Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts.

Potent Political Book

The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest.

“The events of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says.

She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West.

“We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible,” says Jutta Starke....



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banitheretooplease; germany; infiltration; jihad; koran; muslims; quran
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1 posted on 03/11/2006 6:15:55 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

What will Ahmed Huber say about this???


2 posted on 03/11/2006 6:16:34 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Dark Skies

Works for me.


3 posted on 03/11/2006 6:17:22 AM PST by Old Sarge (My vigor to fight has been renewed.)
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To: Old Sarge

Morning Sarge!


4 posted on 03/11/2006 6:18:35 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Dark Skies
Here is more from the Jyllands-Posten translation...

“You suffer for all of Europe and that’s why we find it indecent that Europe hasn’t loudly, in unison, taken a stand for Freedom of Speech against the laws of the Quran.”

The indictment consists of five pieces of paper and a number of appendices. The indictment says that it is not against Islam’s spiritual message, but against the judicial and political message.

The decisive count of the indictment “is in the Quran’s status vis a vis the Federal Republic of Germany’s constitution”. In the appendices to the indictment, 200 points have been listed “where the Quran is against and claims itself above the constitution.”

The Quran has an Answer to Everything

It is pointed out that the Quran to Moslems is the end all, be all in matters of faith, in matters of society and state and in the discourse with people of different views. The Quran says that it is the words of Allah. According to the views of several, including leading, Moslems in Germany, it is literally and absolutely true at all time and in all places, the indictment says.

The newly elected German-born chairman of the Moslem Central Council of German, Ayyub Axel Köhler, is quoted in the indictment:

“A constitution after the principle of the division of powers into the legislative, the executive and the judicial powers, is nowhere to be found in the Islamic theory of the State. From an Islamic viewpoint, this is obvious, since the laws - the laws of God - in the form of sharia, are already made and thus no legislative power is needed, in that sense of the word. Only Allah is the legislative power.”

Muslim Chancellor

A prominent Moslem, Ibrahim El-Zayat, is quoted as saying that he thinks it is possible that “the Federal Chancellor in 2020 is a Moslem, born and raised in Germany, that the Federal Supreme Court has a Moslem judge, and that a Moslem representative will be on the Federal Radio/TV Council to secure the Moslem citizens’ constitutionally guaranteed rights.”

“This land is our land and it is our duty to make positive changes. With the help of Allah, we will make it a paradise on Earth, by making available the Islamic ummah (ED: Islamic community) and all of mankind. Allah doesn’t change the situation of a people till the people have changed the situtation,” El-Zayad is quoted as saying.

Violence against the Infidels

The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED:chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed.

Example: “The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6)

According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code.


5 posted on 03/11/2006 6:20:18 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies
Ah, Sweet vindication! At last - someone else agrees with my tagline.
6 posted on 03/11/2006 6:22:12 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Dark Skies

A litle to close to book burning for my taste.

BUTTTTT...... WHERE ARE THE MODERATE MOSLEMS THAT SHOULD BE DEFENDING THEIR RELIGION FROM BEING HIJACKED BY EXTREMEISTS?

I don't see any and if so, these people need to find another country.


7 posted on 03/11/2006 6:23:14 AM PST by spanalot
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To: Dark Skies

The Qur'an is hate speech.


8 posted on 03/11/2006 6:23:17 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Dark Skies

Looks as if the Germans are equating the legitimacy of the Muslim faith at the same level they have accorded Scientology.

That's funny!


9 posted on 03/11/2006 6:27:06 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: Dark Skies; All

The Quran, as a document, together with the history of Islams's religious and political leaders, and the history of its most faithful advocates, are, collectively, self-indicting evidence that Islam is in fact a political-religion from which neither government, political ideology or religion can be separated without being unfaithful to Islam. This is not polemics, demogougery or mere rhetoric. Its the text and the facts and the history of Islam, past, present and future.


10 posted on 03/11/2006 6:32:08 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Dark Skies

Burn dat book......


11 posted on 03/11/2006 6:32:51 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: USF; jan in Colorado; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger

ping


12 posted on 03/11/2006 6:35:29 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

What will all the Dubaiocrats have to say about their new found religion being banned for being a death cult/ political movement disguised as a religion.


13 posted on 03/11/2006 6:36:39 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! Liberals, Jihadis and the Mexican elite all deserving of "preemption.")
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To: Dark Skies
but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says.

It's what been said for months now...islam has nothing to do with religion. The religious part is a sham, a masquerade and the sooner it is realized the better. I am tired of hearing about a shadow enemy, there is no shadow that can't be brought into the light of day. The only shadow we wrestle with is the understanding that a theocracy is NOT a religion, but a form of government. Islam is the greatest deception the world has ever seen.

14 posted on 03/11/2006 6:37:11 AM PST by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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This is a very slippery slope. Once freedom of the press is curtailed democracy is in real danger.


15 posted on 03/11/2006 6:40:43 AM PST by kjo
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To: spanalot; All
I think all the moderate muslims have spoken...that's why you don't hear anything.
16 posted on 03/11/2006 6:41:20 AM PST by econjack
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To: Dark Skies

At least some action. Let'see how far it can go.

"This land is our land and it is our duty to make positive changes. With the help of Allah .."
This country will never be your`s! Better make no mistake about it, pal !


17 posted on 03/11/2006 6:43:59 AM PST by skraut (Sauerkraut forever)
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To: spanalot
BUTTTTT...... WHERE ARE THE MODERATE MOSLEMS THAT SHOULD BE DEFENDING THEIR RELIGION FROM BEING HIJACKED BY EXTREMEISTS?

There is no hijacking, period!

There are fundamentalist (those following word for word the koran) and lazy muslims who know that the fundamentalist are right so keep their mouths shut and support them with their donations at the local mosque.

18 posted on 03/11/2006 6:51:47 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Wuli
The Quran, as a document, together with the history of Islams's religious and political leaders, and the history of its most faithful advocates, are, collectively, self-indicting evidence that Islam is in fact a political-religion from which neither government, political ideology or religion can be separated without being unfaithful to Islam. This is not polemics, demagoguery or mere rhetoric. Its the text and the facts and the history of Islam, past, present and future.

AMEN!

19 posted on 03/11/2006 6:52:01 AM PST by RAY
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To: EBH
It's what been said for months now...islam has nothing to do with religion

People don't blow tghemselves up for politics. They do it because they believe they will be rewarded in the after life.

Multi millionaire Osama bin Laden didn't risk his life and fortune for politics.

The 19 hijackers who were educated, and well off financially, and had plenty of time to back out of the attack didn't kill themselves for politics.

When they die they die saying Allah Akbar. God is great.

It is a religious problem we are faced with. - tom

20 posted on 03/11/2006 6:52:07 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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