Whites to Be Minority in New York Area Soon, Data Show

New York Times ^ | March 7, 2006 | Sam Roberts

[HostileTerritory]

The influx of foreigners to New York and its suburbs and the continuing exodus of non-Hispanic whites to other parts of the country have transformed the face of metropolitan New York so profoundly that whites will constitute a minority of the region's population within a few years, demographers say.

The shift would make New York the first large metropolitan area outside the South and West in which whites do not make up a majority, according to an analysis of 2004 Census estimates by the Brookings Institution that was released yesterday.

The analysis also reveals a historic reversal: For the first time since at least the 19th century, the black population of both the city and, to a lesser extent, the region, has declined. In the five boroughs, according to the estimates, the number of blacks declined by about 30,000 since 2000, dipping below 30 percent of the overall population, as the migration of blacks to the suburbs and areas like the South outpaced immigration from the Caribbean and Africa.

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among the nation's 88 metropolitan areas with half a million or more people, New York is one of only three — Houston and Honolulu are the others — where the proportion of blacks, Hispanics and Asians each exceeds their share of the national population.

[Clemenza]

They don't want to be white, just want what white people have.

If by "being white" they mean speaking proper English and getting an education, then they will NEVER have what we have.

Let's also not forget that Korean Americans, East Indian Americans, and Japanese Americans all have per capita incomes higher than whites.

Personally, I identify with folks who share my education and outlook. That means that I identified more with my East Indian classmates than with Vito in the stock room, whatever genes we may have in common.

[AuH2ORepublican]

"I'm sure there is a much larger population of blacks than Hispanics in Chicago."

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According to the 2000 Census, blacks comprised 36.8% of residents in the City of Chicago while Hispanics comprised 26.0% and whites 42.0%. Of course, most Hispanics listed either white, black or "other" as their race, and only 13.6% of Chicagoans (mostly Hispanics, I'm sure)listed "some other race," so I would guesstimate that 11% of Chicagoans listed white and Hispanic and 2% listed black and Hispanic. The population of Chicago would thus be approximately 35% non-Hispanic black, 31% non-Hspanic white and 26% Hispanic of any race.

As for the suburbs, they are still overwhelmingly white Anglo, and white Anglos form a plurality of residents of Cook County as a whole. In Cook County, non-Hispanic whites are 47.6% of the population (the 2000 Census website gives info on non-Hispanic whites at the county level), while blacks (including Hispanic blacks, but they are less than 1% of the county totals) are 26.1% of the county population and Hispanics are 19.9%.

And when we also include the Lake, DuPage and Will County suburbs, it is clear that non-Hispanic whites still are a solid majority of metro Chicagoans. The population of those three counties is 76.72% white Anglo, 6.11% black and 10.62% Hispanic. Adding that to the Cook County totals, we get a metro Chicago population of 7,427,524, of which 55.64% are non-Hispanic whites, 20.58% are black (including less than 2% Hispanic blacks) and 17.34% are Hispanics of any race.

So the order in the Greater Chicagoland area is

1. Non-Hispanic Whites (way out in front)
2. Non-Hispanic Blacks
3. Hispanics

I think by the 2010 Census Hispanics will surpass blacks as the #2 group in the Chicago area, but I don't think non-Hispanic whites will drop below 50%.

[cyborg]

No they perceive white people as having more and the BEST in this society. Just like they do in their own country because there it's TRUE. Just like any colonial country, there's a color caste. It's just not true imho that white people have more or are better but you'd be AMAZED at how many minorities believe this.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

However, wait until they get to Florida and North Carolina, and they realize that the same phenomenon is happening there as well, albeit in not as large numbers. I mean, is there ANYWHERE (outside of a handful of retirement communities) where the white population is increasing faster than that of Asians and Hispanics?

Not on a state level. Exurbia and latent white ethnic enclaves might be possibilities on a local level.

[Tokra]

Yes, and the Irish practiced cannibalism, worshipped rocks, and had a third world economy until 15 years ago.

WTF???? The Irish practiced cannibalism and worshipped rocks in 1991????

[HostileTerritory]

City of Detroit, yes, but the metropolitan area as a whole, Oakland and Macomb and Washtenaw County?

[Colorado Doug]

Hell no. I would rather live surrounded by Hindus and Mexicans than sunburned AngloCelts who have a more annoying accent than me.

I would be perfectly happy with any group that assimilates to American culture, learns our language and does not demand special treatment. That is what America is about.

[HostileTerritory]

The Irish practiced cannibalism and worshipped rocks in 1991????

Indeed. You may have noticed what the switch from lean protein to a high-fat diet did to Bono's waistline in the early 1990s.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

The real trend that I see is that most of the whites moving out of the NYC area (to say nothing of Boston or metro DC) are lower middle to middle class, rather than the affluent. There aren't that many places left to "flee" to and even the exurbs have gotten more "colorful."

They are now moving to the Poconos, Lehigh Valey, Bucks County, and far upstate NY, or else are simply leaving the region entirely. Part of this is helped along by low birth rates among these groups since the birth control revolution in the Church in the 1965-1968 period.

I wish someone would write an article and/or do a study on what happens when affluent minorities/immigrants move into an area and displace not-as-affluent whites. Examples abound along both coasts.

This would be an interesting article. They are by far the most underrepresented people in society and its institutions.

[HostileTerritory]

Much appreciative of the data.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Anyone been to the NYC metro lately? This survey is about 10 years late...

The OTHER elephant in the room that no one is talking about on this thread is the even lower percantage of people who are white Christians in the New York area. I the country as a while, white Christians are still the vast majority. In New York, they are a distinct minority, because of the large Jewish population of the region. This heightens the perception of a distinction in the minds of the rest of the country.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Arabs may have their flaws, but if I were to ban every ethnic group that I found even moderately distasteful (there are none that I hate), this country would lose at least 60% of its inhabitants

And this is a bad thing because .... ??? ;-)

[AuH2ORepublican]

"The average Puerto Rican has more European blood than African blood (unlike Dominicans, who generally are the reverse), but, nonetheless, about 40% can be characterized as "pure white" according to most studies I have seen on the island."

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I would guess that less than 20% of residents of Puerto Rico are "pure white," but yeah, around 35%-40% are overwhelmingly white and would be considered white in Europe. At least 95% of Puerto Ricans have Caucasian blood (PR has very few pure blacks and no pure Indians) and I would guesstimate that around 80% have some African blood (but, as you said, most of this group has more Caucasian blood than African blood).

As for the DNA studies showing large percentages of the population of Puerto Rico with Indian blood, I don't believe those for a second; the fact that the patrilineal and matrilineal lines give such different results proves my point. The Taino Indians in Puerto Rico were pretty much exterminated by the Spaniards by 1600 or so, and while there had certainly been some intermarriage between Spaniards and Tainos in Puerto Rico, most Puerto Ricans at the time were of purely European or African ancestry. In fact, the Spaniards stopped listing "mestizo" as an option in its censuses in Puerto Rico at some point, and brought it back in the 19th Century only after mestizo immigrants from Venezuela and other former Spanish colonies started moving to Puerto Rico. The people conducting the DNA tests have a set agenda---"proving" that the Tainos had a greater influence on Puerto Rico than they really had---and thus seek out people from the Maricao region (where Taino bloodlines survived) with high cheekbones as their "sample."

In truth, the three cultures that made Puerto Rico what it is today are the Spaniards, Africans and Americans, with other groups, such as the Corsicans (probably the largest group outside of Spain and Africa to emigrate to Puerto Rico before 1898) having a greater impact on Puerto Rico than the Taino Indians. The truth is the truth even when it hurts.

[Clemenza]

Not on a state level. Exurbia and latent white ethnic enclaves might be possibilities on a local level.

1. Exurban areas are often more rapidly racially diversified than the post war suburbs were. Examples can be seen in places like Orange County, NY or, to a lesser degree, Chester County, PA which have sizeable populations of blacks/Asians/Hispanics compared to the lily-white suburbs of postwar Long Island and South Jersey. Then you have places like Palmdale and the rest of the Antelope Valley in Los Angeles County where Hispanics and blacks equal whites in terms of total population, although these exurban areas were farms or desert only 15-20 years ago.

2. "Latent" white ethnic enclaves? Where? It is nearly impossible for white folks or any folks for that matter to maintain ethnicity past the 3rd generation. According to the census bureau, nearly 90% (!) of all Polish Americans marry non-Polish Americans (as a Polish/Italian hybrid myself, I can attest to this). An Italian American from Pennsylvania who moves to Phoenix or Sarasota will simply become part of the assimilated white non-ethnic culture that dominates said areas.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

As far as PR is concerned, I've seen demographic/biological data that shows that 60% of Boricua are "of color." Judging from the folks that I've met on the island or on the mainland, that sounds about right. The average Puerto Rican has more European blood than African blood (unlike Dominicans, who generally are the reverse), but, nonetheless, about 40% can be characterized as "pure white" according to most studies I have seen on the island.

Puerto Rico was 50-55% white +/- under Spanish Governance in its Censuses. The present 80% "white" claim of the 2000 Census is based on wannabe status, and a desire to not be seen as black, given what Puerto Ricans observe of American culture. The demographic shift in self-idenitification took place mostly between 1910 and 1940.

[from occupied ga]

Whites already are in Chicago, they're 3rd. 'Hispanics' Blacks Whites

My guess is if you rank them by tax burden they pay you'd get:
Whites
Hispanics
Blacks

[RadioCirca1970]

The OTHER elephant in the room that no one is talking about on this thread is the even lower percantage of people who are white Christians in the New York area. I the country as a while, white Christians are still the vast majority. In New York, they are a distinct minority, because of the large Jewish population of the region. This heightens the perception of a distinction in the minds of the rest of the country.

What the heck does any of that mean? Hispanics are by and large Catholic which last I checked fell into the Christian category...I dont view this as a fight about CREEDS as I do a fight about legal vs. illegal immigration. What do the Jews have to do with anything?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

New Zealand, maybe?

New Zealand is still a nice place. So is Ireland and Iceland and Argentina.

[Riverman94610]

Like the Temptations said back in 1970-
"People moving out,people moving in
Why?Because of the color of their skin
Run,run, but you sure can't hide"