Second F-22 sqaudron operational in Langley,VA

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[yarddog]

I have been thinking about it and I would guess the radar could calculate it by interpolation between speed, distance and turning. I guess that must be displayed somewhere on the screen.

[Pukin Dog]

I fly a mean bass-boat these days, but my wake is a killer. Kick out a bit.

[yarddog]

OK, I just re-read it and it is the F-18 which had pulled 7.6 g's. Yeah, I am stupid.

[Don Carlos]

Hint; VF-142 "Pukin Dogs" F-14 Tomcat Squadron.

FR's "Pukin Dog" ain't a back alley drunk! (At least, I don't think so).

[Southack]

"The two 5th Generation stealthy..."

I'm stunned that comment in the news release made it past censors.

[Pukin Dog]

It is somewhat hard to explain, because part of it is the relative rates and angles to what your own airplane is doing. You are not looking at the displays except through the HUD. You let your ass tell you what your plane is doing while you watch the other guy. After awhile, you can just look at a guy and know. There are visual clues like that big-ass vapor that the Hornet and Viper throw from their wing roots under G because of their wing extensions, and other craft throw vapor too, just not so consistantly. My old bird had the biggest giveaway because my wings would be moving up as I got slow.(we would take them off the computer to trick Air Force guys) You could see if a guy is plowing, lots of deflection, not a lot of movement, and a few other things. Look at the Raptor in the picture, he's clean, no vapor, you can see no deflection in the control surfaces. The Raptor has big-ass surfaces. When the Raptor brakes, it deflects its ailerons, and turns its rudders out. If it was accelerating, I'd be looking for some burner out back. So its easy to see he's just cruising in the photo.

Does that help?

[Pukin Dog]

-143.

[freedumb2003]

I fly a mean bass-boat these days, but my wake is a killer. Kick out a bit

I envy you :)

[Don Carlos]

Thanks!

[Rokke]

"If I get in trouble, I can always just disappear,"

Disappear?!?! The only thing bigger than you is the carrier you floated in on. My pee-wee radar can see your flying metal trash heap half a world away. It can see each bolt as it falls off your rusting fuselage. The only reason your sleeping RIO will wake up would be when he hears the dried up squibs in your Aim-54's misfiring. The next sound he'll hear is my kill call as my -120's fired from far far away (roughly the range you become visible on my radar) time out somewhere near your canopy.

And then...And then...hey. I'm out of beer. Whose round is it anyway!

Sigh. I sometimes I wish I never gave up drinking or the Viper. Did I tell you about my last landing at Hong Kong?

[freedumb2003]

You fly 22's?

[Rokke]

No. I flew F-16's until just a few months ago. Now I fly big, ugly FedEx MD-11's.

[Don Carlos]

Sorry 'bout that PD. Day late, number off, and posting to wrong guy!

Regards, and wishing I could have been your GIB.

[Spruce]

Did we ever put a Raptor and Tomcat in a fight?

[yarddog]

Yes, you explained it well. It actually makes sense. Like you said, I can see how a person would eventually just sense what the other one is doing by all those tell tale clues.

[Pukin Dog]

See me yes, shoot me, no. By the time you come around from your 9G gas waister, I'm past 2m away and extending. Your reticle is growing as your solution is gone. I'm hot so you will get a growl, but that is all. You cant shoot me. Wanna chase me? I'll run you dry. What will you do? Nothing. Next thing you see off in the distance is that beautiful triangle between you and the sun. Now, your EW goes nuts as I auto on you from the bore. Wanna fight? Chaff baby, because you cant go anywhere. I'm inside your -120, outside your winder, boards out, flaps, idle, may as well put the wheels down for all you can do.

Yeah, you told me about your Hong Kong crosswind magic.

[Pukin Dog]

No. That would be a waste of time. The only thing the Tomcat has on the Raptor is beauty and Navy style. Against a Raptor, I would have the advantage until his gear stowed. After that, I'm road kill.

[Pukin Dog]

BEER RUN!!!

Evening, all.

[yarddog]

I recall in his book, Chuck Yeager said something like "The better pilot will win even in an inferior plane." I wonder if we are approaching the point where the better plane will win assuming the pilots are at least competent.

[Spruce]

Raptor would own you because of radar? Or is it really that much better?

IMHO The Tomcat was the best fighter aircraft ever produced. (Once they got the engines right)