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Thank you, Mr Bush (from India)
Hindustan Times ^ | March 4, 2006 | Karan Thapar

Posted on 03/04/2006 10:34:51 PM PST by FairOpinion

Have you noticed how the world doesn’t like America? Few countries have anything good to say. The irony is that those for whom it has done the most tend to be least grateful. And this applies regardless of whether the recipient state is Asian, Latin American or European.

In the 1950s, when the Marshall Plan was reviving Europe’s crushed fortunes, it was commonplace in England to joke about Yankee unpopularity. The one that became best known went like this: “We hate them for three reasons, because they are over-paid, over-sexed and over-here.” This snide if successful strand of humour has roots that stretch far back into Europe’s relations with the ‘New World’. Oscar Wilde was a past master: “It was wonderful to find America, but it would have been more wonderful still to have missed it”, or “America had often been discovered before Columbus, but it had always been hushed up.”

Even the French had their little digs. Clemenceau, who was Prime Minister during World War I, is best known for the following witticism: “America is the only country to have progressed from barbarism to decadence without experiencing the intervening stage of civilisation.” Freud: “America is the most grandiose experiment the world has seen but, I’m afraid, it’s not going to succeed.”

What lies behind such humour is rank jealousy. Success, no doubt, breeds envy but when your own impoverishment or incapacity adds the curse of dependence envy turns rapidly into dislike. The more the world needs America the more it hates itself for it. And since one cannot swear at oneself, America becomes the next best victim.

Of course, Yankee crassness, at times their innocence and often their idiocy have added to this. Americans are hardly their own best ambassadors. I recall a US Senator at the Cambridge Union who single handedly helped his side lose the motion “This House reaffirms its faith in America.” It happened when, carried away by his eloquence, he warmed to the subject and promised to lift the poor cities of the world “up, up, up — all the way till they look like Kansas City.” That shattered all prospects of a vote in favour.

And yet if America feels let down, stung by ingratitude, even lacerated, I can understand its feelings. Because those who need America the most are often the ones to kick hardest. This week India came very close to joining the list of the ungrateful.

Consider the facts. After nearly forty years of undisputed existence, the international nuclear non-proliferation regime, one of the world’s most sacred holy cows, has been dismantled to admit one single country. Of itself this is epoch-making. It’s revolutionary. But when you add the fact that this will give India, a country that was sometimes called a nuclear rogue state, the capacity to enlarge its civilian nuclear industry, which otherwise simply couldn’t have happened, the magnitude becomes enormous.

But are we grateful? Not if you look at the Left or the Samajwadi Party. Nor if you judge by the so-called popular protest on the streets. Not even if you go by the polls published by newspapers like this one. Instead, we’re more concerned about Bush’s Iraq policy or his threats to Iran, by his duplicity in the war on terrorism or even his simplistic, moralistic, little-Christian attitudes. We prefer to see reasons to dislike him. We ignore all cause for gratitude.

My point is simple. If Bush is so terrible why did we seek him out for help? If his Iraq policy is so unforgivable and if he is, as Arundhati Roy insists, a killer, why did we ask for his assistance? The choice to not do so was always there. But we consciously acted otherwise. Now, having got what we wanted, and possibly in far greater measure than expected, does it become us to carp and criticise?

The truth is we have in George W. Bush a president more pro-Indian than any before him. In fact the same nuclear deal would not have been possible under Clinton or Kerry or Gore. Bush alone made it happen. And he did so despite our Parliament’s well-known stand on Iraq and the ill-disguised contempt our elite have for him. If he could rise above all that then, surely, in return we could have expressed our gratitude more clearly and with good cheer. The protests should have been postponed or muted. They were hardly a suitable way of saying thank you.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; thankyou
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks for posting!
41 posted on 03/05/2006 12:01:49 AM PST by scratcher
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To: FairOpinion; sukhoi-30mki; Cronos; CarrotAndStick; razoroccam; Arjun; samsonite; Bombay Bloke; ...
The Free Republic India and Indo-US Issues Ping !
 
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42 posted on 03/05/2006 12:06:53 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: FairOpinion; nopardons
"Thanks for the history."

Ditto

43 posted on 03/05/2006 12:10:22 AM PST by scratcher
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To: FairOpinion
Thank you Mr.Thapar for an article written with tender humor, and in the Kings English too!

Perhaps America also stands to benefit in the future from such sophisticated grammar and syntax.

A very pleasant and enjoyable read, accurate in its meaning and feeling.

Here's to you and India!!!

44 posted on 03/05/2006 12:18:09 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: scratcher
Thank YOU, for the kind words. :-)

Here's a bit of trivia ( fashion history ) for you....

Though dungarees ( that's what jeans started out being called ), caught on in some places in the world, after WW II, American "FASHION", was NOT considered to be anything to be sought, until the late 1970s, or so.

Yes, the Japanese have been NUTS about all things American, since WW II, from baseball to fashion, to music; but we're talking about Europe's proclivity to look down their collective noses at Americans and America here.

Let's not forget, for a moment, that what is true for today, wasn't always true about America and Americans and how the rest of the world saw us.

45 posted on 03/05/2006 12:22:19 AM PST by nopardons
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To: CarrotAndStick
Thank you for posting these pictures. They say a lot. Our president enjoyed himself and has a true affection for the Indian people.

I especially admire the pictures with the patchulie (?) flowers around his neck and Dubyah shaking hands with a group of ladies.

Compared to the China photos from last fall, Dubyah is relaxed, communicative and thoroughly enjoying himself.

Lets hope Congress also captures these feelings and endorses the negotiated alliances.

46 posted on 03/05/2006 12:27:52 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Well , that speech and those follow up questions and answers should put the idea to rest that our Prez is a reincarnation of Alfred E. Newman.

The Dims must be squirming very uncomfortably when they read and hear this speech!!!

Well done Mr. President !!!!

Proud of you I am!

47 posted on 03/05/2006 12:36:45 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: nopardons

I get more history from your posts than I did in high school!


48 posted on 03/05/2006 12:37:21 AM PST by scratcher
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To: scratcher
You do? Oh gee............

This is WHY I post so much history to FR. I'm just trying to get the facts out there.

Many thanks for your kind words. :-)

49 posted on 03/05/2006 12:45:36 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Back when Carter was President I worked for Exxon in their credit card center in Houston. Of course, this was during the time of long lines at gas stations, wage and price controls, credit tightening and other 'wonderful' Carterisms.

At the time Exxon had changed the terms of their credit card from a revolving type card to the balance being due in full each month. Needless to say we received lots of phone calls from irate customers.

I remember one call from a credit card holder in New Jersey who was upset about the change in terms and about the price of gasoline. She knew our center was located in Texas and acted as if she thought we were a bunch of hicks.

In trying to answer her questions (to which she decidedly did NOT like the answers) she got rather irate and blurted out to me "It's no wonder you people don't care about any of us! After all, everyone knows all of you have oil wells in your backyard!" Of course, she was in no mood to be disabused of that particular impression of us.

My point in relating this story is it hasn't been all that long ago since there was a major divide in how people in some areas of America had stereotyped ideas of Americans in other parts of the US. If one group of Americans look down on another group of Americans it becomes rather difficult to export an American image.

I can remember contacting NY real estate closing attorneys in the late 80's who assumed all Texans' had horses, wore boots and grew up on ranches raising cattle. They'd even ask me if I was a real Texan after I'd tell them I'd never owned a horse or a pair of boots and grew up in Houston.
50 posted on 03/05/2006 12:55:54 AM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: nopardons
I most certainly do! I'm always interested in history and FACTS. So keep it coming.

Have a good night

51 posted on 03/05/2006 12:59:34 AM PST by scratcher
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Great anecdotal evidence!

Sad to say, regional prejudices are still with us. Just look at threads on FR, for crying out loud! Some people here will claim that there are NO conservatives in N.Y. and California and that everyone in those states stink. Some will say that, and worse, for the entire north east. Heck, I've even seen that said about EVERY state, that was NOT in the Confederacy.

No, Americans have NOT been a united nation through much of its existence. But, we DID share a common culture, once. And the funniest thing about that, is that it was IMMIGRANTS who invented the AMERICAN DREAM and sold it and a common American culture to the populace, through the movies and through radio. And now, we are once again a fractured nation.

52 posted on 03/05/2006 1:37:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: scratcher
I shall. :-)

Nighty night and pleasant dreams................

53 posted on 03/05/2006 1:38:20 AM PST by nopardons
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To: CarrotAndStick
All those nice young women offering President Bush some flowers and garlands, and not one of them went "boom!"
54 posted on 03/05/2006 4:18:50 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: nopardons; CarrotAndStick

"After WW II, most of Europe was devastated, England wasn't in great shape; but, America, relatively untouched by both world wars was in a position to help them. Talk about no good deed going unpunished? Yes, that's when the jealousy, talked about in the article, came into play. And since then, especially now, since we are the ONLY "superpower", that jealousy has been heightened."

Help them? Consider this. after WWII, the US was left with one half of the world's standing industrial production capacity. We setup the marshall plan & helped rebuild Japan and Germany also because they'd serve as markets in the future and would forsake the path of totalatarianism and a future world war. We almost succeeded in our aims. Japan didn't quite open its markets to us as much as we would like and Mainland europe slid into socialistic semi-totalatarianism. But hey, on the whole it went off well for us. It could've been MUCH worse, ya know.


55 posted on 03/05/2006 4:41:06 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: FairOpinion

BTTT


56 posted on 03/05/2006 4:42:04 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: CarrotAndStick

Water buffalo milk makes the BEST mozzarella. And has since Marco Polo brought some buffs back from Kubilai's China.


57 posted on 03/05/2006 4:54:39 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: FairOpinion
India has class. This is a nice, clear thinking piece and it's refreshing because it is so rare.

Someday, the entire world is going to figure out what Iraq is all about and most people will feel shame for not being a part of it.

58 posted on 03/05/2006 4:57:24 AM PST by McGavin999 (I suggest the UAE form a Joint Venture Partnership with Halliburton & Wal-Mart)
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To: Sally'sConcerns
I had a penpal from Maine in the 50's. I was born and raised in Texas. My father was a small town doctor. She wanted to know if he drove a horse and buggy on house calls, and if he wore a 'six-shooter'.

Texas gets a lot of 'guff', nationally and internationally. It is one state that is recognized around the world - and not for real-life reasons.

59 posted on 03/05/2006 5:16:37 AM PST by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: FairOpinion

Thank you Fair Opinion-
It really is nice to hear someone expressing something nice about the US these days.

Thanks to India for their friendship. May both our countries prosper and be safe.

Cheers - Dinah


60 posted on 03/05/2006 5:29:06 AM PST by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic jihad one keystroke at a time...)
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