Posted on 03/03/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by Rebeleye
The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.
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Justices Paterson and Blair, cited above, were both FOUNDERS, both having attended the Philadelphia convention, signed the federal Constitution, and then both attended their state conventions. Both men were nominated to the US Supreme Court - that body delineated by the federal Constitution to decide 'Constitutional' matters. In this case both men state that if New Hampshire was unhappy with the state of affairs, then she should have WITHDRAWN HERSELF from the union.
While I do not have the context of his quote I can only say that his understanding AS QUOTED appears to contradict the meaning of a constitution.
You're telling me that two founders, and two Supreme Court Justices, that helped craft the Constitution didn't understand it? That it contradicts it? What clause does it contradict? The one that states the union shall be perpetual and inviolate? Sorry, that's not in it.
The one stating secession is illegal? Sorry, not there either?
The one stating that a state may not rescind it's ratification, unilaterally or otherwise? Sorry, that doesn't exist either.
Made perfect perhaps? Sorry, that means better, not perpetual. And even a 'perpetual' union made more perfect can't make it MORE perpetual, either it is or it isn't [and here we have two framers stating that it's not perpetual].
It is not a flimsy arrangement capable of unilateral abrogation.
According to two justices of the US Supreme Court, bother founders/framers of the very document in question - it IS capable of unilateral rescission.
Calhoun was a brilliant statesman. The fact that he advocated slavery doesn't detract from that.
Incorrect statement. There are writings to the effect that refute you.
If your LUNATIC assertions were true, what prevented 4 MILLION slaves from overpowering the old men, women and children left behind? Why didn't 4 MILLION slaves rise up in revolt as Lincoln/Garrison et al desired, pull another John Brown and slaughter every living white person in the South? At the very least, why didn't 4 MILLION slaves flee to the North?
You're as bad as modern dims, implying that blacks are too STUPID to think for themselves, needing input from fruitcakes like you to tell them how to think. You're no better than Kwesi, Jesse or Al Sharpton, Howard Dean of John sKerry, imputing stupidity to blacks.
MILLIONS of southern blacks - slave and free stayed for two reasons - loyalty to their masters due to bonds of love and friendship that hate-filled yankees will never understand, and because the South was their home.
If the actions of the Confederates were so despicable, then those blacks/slaves closest to men like Lee and Jackson would fill volumes with their contempt, yet history is replete with passages expressing admiration for them, and advocating monuments to them.
You're posts are ample evidence that you share the position of liberal moonbats, deserving only of posting privileges on DU, and not on a forum dedicated to conservatives and the Constitution. Your posts are nothing more than diatribes against red-blooded Americans whose refuse to share your admiration from some great welfare/nanny state.
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in point of fact, MANY slave-owners ARMED their slaves against the DAMNyankee invaders, to protect the old men, women & children, who were "back home on the farm".
that puts the LIE to the DAMNyankee/LEFTIST/REVISIONIST LIES!
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Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson had purchased an elderly slave named Albert, who was then given the run of the town. His niece [Margaret J. Preston] observed that one day while she and her Uncle Thomas were taking a walk through town, that Albert went up to Jackson and carried on a conversation with him. Answering her inquiries, he told her,
I am letting him work out and pay for himself as he makes the money." He further stated that he got plenty of work and good wages. My impression is that he didn't charge him interest, although I am not sure of this, and that the negro was getting along very well in his payments. ... "It was pleasant to walk about the town with him (Jackson) and see the veneration with which the negroes saluted him, and his unfailing courtesy towards them. To the old gray-headed negro who bowed before him he would lift his cap as courteously as to his commander-in-chief."
Thomas Jackson Arnold, Early Life and Letters of Gen. Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson, New York, NY: Fleming H. Revell Co. (1915), pp. 338-339
To you Jackson's a terrorist?
My dear Maggie:And again,I am much obliged for your kind letter of the 19th, and for the arrangement respecting Amy and Emma (slaves owned by Jackson). Please have the kindness to go to Winny Buck's occasionally and see that Amy is well cared for, and that not only she, but also Emma, is well clothed. I am under special obligations for the religious instruction you have given Amy, and hope that it may be in your power to continue it. Remember me to her very kindly on the first opportunity, and say that I hope she has rich heavenly consolation. This evening I expect our own pastor (Dr. White) and Dr. McFarland, I will send some money by Dr. White for you to use as occasion may require for Amy and Emma, and I will so manage to keep a supply in the Rockbridge Bank, or elsewhere, subject to your order. . . .
Your affectionate friend,
T. J. Jackson.
My dear Maggie:More than once your kind and touching letter respecting the sainted Amy brought tears to my eyes. For several months before leaving home I was impressed with her great devotion to the cause of our beloved Redeemer. She was evidently ripening rapidly for a better world, where I hope that we, and the ransomed of the Lord, may be privileged to join her. I am very grateful to you for your Christian kindness to her. If the money I sent by Dr. White is not enough to meet the little demands connected with her funeral, please let me know how much more is required, and I will promptly attend to having it forwarded, I am much gratified to know that you gave her a decent burial, and that so many followed her remains to the grave. Though such numbers cannot affect the dead, yet such demonstrations of regard are gratifying to the living. . . .
Very affectionately yours,
T. J. Jackson
Ibid., pp 337-338.
Oh the humanity </sarcasm>
Interesting political theory, there. Of course, by the same theory we can also assume that the Jews in Europe didn't rise up against the Nazis because of "bonds of love and friendship."
You have a problem with Supreme Court justices not being infallible? So now we are to bow to the opinions of Justice Ginsberg? Stevens? Breyer? Very amusing.
Your selection of quotes from them in any case is likely totally different than you pretend unless you have changed your cherry picking methods of deception.
The only means of legally changing the Union by allowing a state to leave is an amendment. Insurrections and rebellions are EXPLICITLY made subject to federal military power. And without any stipulation the great scholar lentulus pretends limits it.
Calhoun had all the prerequisites to become a great stateman but failed but to his inability to come to grips with the great evil of slavery and its danger to his country.
Calhoun could never get beyond second or third rate and is nothing more than another self-interested politician.
Southern culture was woefully deficient prior to the war. Slavery crippled all intellectual and moral abilities. It was a system which fostered and thrived on ignorance unfortunately everything else suffered. That is the real history of southern slavery.
What prevented the Terrorized from revolting and killing their masters? Boy is that hard to figure. Ummmm how about the slaves being systemically prevented from owning weapons while the the Masters were heavily armed and enlisted the powers of the state in Terrorizing the Terrorized.
This was the greatest fear of the Slavers from the time of the Haiti revolution. This was why the Slavers would not even allow their newspapers to publish stories about the event. This was why Jefferson's VERY FIRST act of foreign policy was to collude with Napoleon in starving out the slaves fighting for their freedom.
Of course, you LIE when claiming Lincoln wanted to foster slave revolts. But even your LIES cannot hide the fact that the Union armies throughout the South had slaves swarming in huge numbers to them to claim their freedom. This was not what the Americans wanted either since the armies were not set up to handle them. But FREEDOM could not be denied.
And even more absurd is your pathetic attempt to label me as the UNAmerican while defending the America hating Slaver scum with every breath. Your slander and libel the greatest of Americans while claiming to support the Constitution they created and protected. All you have ever done is attack the very concept of a constitution. And laud the TRAITORS who tried their damnedest to destroy it and the Union.
You clowns are a barrel of laughs. Particularly for believing your disinformation campaign has ANY impact upon the rational.
More pearls from the Wise One. Can we expect to hear you are now writing comedy full time?
No one believes your silly LIES, stand. Slavers greatest fear was of armed slaves and slave revolt.
No one believes your silly LIES, stand. Slavers greatest fear was of armed slaves and slave revolt.
Yep. He was doing the work of the devil and supporting a regime devoted to nothing but evil.
Geez. Next thing you know they'll be taking the deer off the Michigan Flag.
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