Posted on 03/03/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by Rebeleye
The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.
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NEW YORK, February 23, 1861.Mv DEAR BLAIR: Mr. Blunt received a telegraph from General Scott a few days since which he thought indicated an adjournment of my plan; but I put the construction upon it that another was substituted for mine, and I feel certain it must be “boats.” To corroborate this the New York Times, of February 21, says: “Government has determined to relieve Fort Sumter by boats at night.” I consider this plan possible, and the alternative of mine, but inferior at every step.
By February, even the NYT knew a plan was in the works.
Fox's plan was approved by Lincoln personally, and preparation for the reinforcement was well underway in March.
his/her posts are WISHFUL THINKING, ignorantly arrogantly FICTION & mostly DUMB!
the members of the DAMNyankee coven (less N-S) are uniformly of the same (or worse sort) than "capitan". they are divided into 3 groups:
1. the REVISIONISTS
2. the terminally & arrogantly ignorant &
3. the HATERS/BIGOTS.
free dixie,sw
the members of the DAMNyankee coven (less N-S) are uniformly of the same (or worse sort) than "capitan". they are divided into 3 groups:
1. the REVISIONISTS
2. the terminally ignorant &
3. the HATERS/BIGOTS.
free dixie,sw
using that "term of abuse" marks YOU as an IDIOT & a HATER.free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
what, if anything, do you KNOW about this alleged group???
i, for one southron have NEVER heard of them.
free dixie,sw
Lincoln once stated, '[w]hether elected or not, I am for distributing the proceeds of the sale of public lands to construct the railroads.' 12 Aug 1859 Lincoln traveled to Council Bluffs, Iowa, there meeting Grenville M. Dodge [railway construction engineer], at the Pacific House. Lincoln contemplates purchasing 160 acres of land in Council Bluffs from Norman B. Judd, giving Judd $3,000 - the deed transfers 11 Nov 1859.
Fast forward to the Presidency, where in a special session called by Lincoln, he proposes a national railroad - taxpayer subsidized. The "Act to aid in the construction of a railroad and telegraph line from the Missouri river to the Pacific ocean, and to secure to the government the use of the same for postal, military, and other purposes" passed 1 Jul 1862. In it Lincoln was delegated the power to appoint the commissioners (some 158 of his old railroad buddies). Additionally, pursuant to § 14 of that act, Lincoln was also delegated the power to determine the easternmost terminus of a route.
Guess where Lincoln placed the eastern terminus, on 17 Nov 1863 he fixed the terminus, '[a]t a point on the western boundary of the State of Iowa, opposite section ten, in township fifteen, north of range thirteen, east of the sixth principal meridian, in the Territory of Nebraska [the 6th meridian is located near Lincoln, NE].'
Congress somehow lost the order, and again on 7 Mar 1864 Lincoln issued and Executive Order stating that, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, do, upon the application of the said company, designate and establish such first above-named point on the western boundary of the State of Iowa, east of, and opposite to, the east line of section 10, in township 15 north, of range 13 east, of the sixth principal meridian, in the Territory of Nebraska.'
Council Bluffs, IA. Where Lincoln conveniently owed 160 acres of land in various lots.
Wrong. The previous school had been terminated. Jackson and Anna wanted to ensure that blacks received Chritian instruction.
Contrast that to Lincoln, who wanted to deport/expatriate blacks from the states.
As to Mr. Lincoln's religious views, he was in short an infidel, was a universalist, was a Unitarian, a theist. He did not believe that Jesus was God nor the son of God, etc., was a fatalist, denied the freedom of the will, wrote a book in 1834 or 5 — just after the death of Ann Rutledge, as I remember the facts as to time. He then became more melancholy, a little crazed, etc.; [he] was always skeptical, read Volney in New Salem and other books. Samuel Hill of Menard was the man who burned up Lincoln's little infidel book. Lincoln told me a thousand times that he did not believe that the Bible, etc., were revelations of God as the Christian world contends, etc. Will send you a printed letter soon on this subject. You have Mr. Hill's statement as well as Bale's, which see. See A. Y. Ellis and J. H. Matheny's testimony in your possession. The points that Mr. Lincoln tried to demonstrate are, first, that the Bible was not God's revelations; and, secondly, that Jesus was not the son of God. [italics in original, emphasis mine]
Emanuel Hertz, The Hidden Lincoln: From the Letters and Papers of William H. Herndon, New York, NY: Blue Ribbon Books (1940), pp. 64-65.
Actually the only "Founders" were those signing the Constitution. This is the strict meaning of the them which was news to me as well. But having had that pointed out to me I changed my more inclusive meaning. I will revert to a less strict meaning if you like for our discussions.
However, that more inclusive group means that more who did not fully understand the Constitution will be spoken of. While I do not have the context of his quote I can only say that his understanding AS QUOTED appears to contradict the meaning of a constitution. It is not a flimsy arrangement capable of unilateral abrogation.
It is not an Islamic marriage.
The entire Southern way of life was based upon Terror. Slaves were under the thumb of petty terrorists every moment of their being. Their children could be ripped from their arms and sold away downriver. Their lives were under threat from the meanest white. Their backs subject to the whip of Terror. Anti-slavery southern whites were also subject to these terrorists attacks should they speak up or take action.
It would be amusing to hear Gen. Jackson explain the kids how they were not to be allowed to live free. While the Gen. was an unparalleled military genius he was not a competent theologican or political thinker.
Those who were understood that the United States of American must be DEFENDED not attacked. Besides when slave states had LAWS against teaching blacks to read and write your little anomaly becomes even MORE irrelevant.
Given the terrorist nature of the entire Southern system it had to be ripped up root and branch in order that Freedom prevail and the anti-American system of slavery be destroyed. War is hell and cannot be waged without doing so ruthlessly.
"Some" who you would listen to are full bore nuts whose praise I would hate to have.
A small quote from Paterson when used by you has no meaning given the general tendency to cherry pick misleading quotes from more full and relevant documents. Too many times you have been caught distorting the real meaning by this method.
I have no doubt that this document IN NO WAY supports your speculation as to what Paterson meant.
We have not been discussing "crimes committed by the North" in any case. There were none before the war unless you are speaking of such heinous acts as returning escaped slaves to the Land of Terror.
The Founders would have lined up almost to a man beside Lincoln in fighting to preserve the Union.
While Lincoln is certainly no "God" but certainly far more godly than Jefferson Davis. Not to mention being a man beloved by humanity.
"Freedom" lol what can be funnier than the use of the word by one who believed the freedom that mattered most was the Freedom to use the Whip and lash.
Calhoun is of major importance in causing the bloodshed unleashed by the Slavers. They thought that Lincoln would not fight, that northerners could not fight and that their allies in the Democrat party would prevent either.
They were shown to be WRONG on every issue.
The ONLY "liberty" Calhoun was concerned about was the freedom to use the Whip and Lash. His system is antithetical to true Liberty.
I am well aware of all the tricks these clowns use. Mendacity, distorted quotations, changing the subject, ignoring every point of refutation, distorted views of the Constitution and the Founding are used on every thread on these stupid subjects.
This whole thread started because some Virginian's had a flash of rationality and removed symbols of Terrorism, Treason and Attacks upon the Nation.
Fortunately there are no REAL issues of importance where the Clique can obscure and hide reality behind the smokescreen of defending slavers.
Prior to 1865 there was NO southern heritage not tied completely to slavery.
There was no signature from state representatives. Signers signed for the UNITED STATES.
This was not the achievement of states but of a Nation. Specifying exactly what terrorities was involved in no way means they were fully sovereign outside the Union.
There was no signature from state representatives. Signers signed for the UNITED STATES.
This was not the achievement of states but of a Nation. Specifying exactly what terrorities was involved in no way means they were fully sovereign outside the Union.
You nee to read better. What I said was entirely true before and after the 14th.
Perhaps you are confused by the Terror states refusing to admit blacks to state citizenship.
One could not become an AMERICAN citizen except through the federal government.
Did Jackson really own slaves. I thought he did not.
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