Posted on 03/03/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by Rebeleye
The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.
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Yet we have, as our fellow debaters, northern revisionists who have taken a lot of time, a looooootttttt of time, to work on their cut and pasties in order to re-enforce the dogma of North-good-South-bad. It's as if Willy Shakespeare himself were asking about the "protest" that is "too much".
SADLY, the BIGOTED MINORITY are REALLY loud & nasty (i firmly believe that if they were not so busy hating the southland/southerners, they would be some other sort of BIGOT!).
free dixie,sw
A big bump for that post. I have lived with both - extensively. The vast majority of both are good people.
sw, we are dealing with less than ten people here who are not. I agree with you that NS is honorable, and knowledgeable. I even solicited his extensive knowledge privately once and he graciously helped me.
When he speaks, one must listen. The others, not necessarily.
Here is a slice of the truth unrefutable by any moronic argument for a "right of secession". The United States of America was and is a Sovereign nation and that Sovereignty flows from the American people. Any argument that a state has the right to DENY the SOVEREIGNTY of the United States of America denies that it is a Nation at all.
NO other "sovereignty" is SUPERIOR to the SOVEREIGN United States of America. The Lesser cannot overturn the greater.
State sovereignty cannot overturn the Sovereignty of the United States of America.
CASE CLOSED
I'm sure there are half-assed moronic selective and distorted "quotes" ready to be posted about Grant's heroin use and cannibalism to argue against the obvious truth of Slavery's destructive path through American history and the Pathetic and Arrogant Insurrection it which ended it.
Of all the absurd LIES the RAT Rebellion's advocates swallow the greatest is that the United States was NOT a Sovereign nation.
I live in the north, sw, and I hate to tell you that no one in the north even so much as thinks about the south, much less hates the south.
We up here in the frozen tundra think of the south as just another part of America.
We in the north are concerned about the future of this great country, about the future of our children and grandchildren, not about what did or didn't happen 150 years ago to a bunch of dead people.
It's not "something like that", astonishingly you summarized the entire problem of that unhinged tiny minority of malcontented Civil War revisionists, who long ago locked themselves into a self-inflicted, perpetual 'lost cause' time warp.
If there are certain posted facts you feel you can shed some light on, or wish to counter - go ahead pilgrim. Otherwise continue kvetching & whistling Dixie.
If the insurrectionist leaders had won the Civil War who knows what foreign power would have attempted conquering the severely divided & devastated nation.
Were you aware in the arch neo-confederate (bottom self) book "The South Was Right!" the author, League of the South's mouthpiece James Ronald Kennedy advocates a return to poll taxes, American voter qualifications, this guy even attacks old civil rights legislation, plus he openly supports segregation & on & on. Some things never change.
I would agree with you on this one. I don't care enough about the south one way or the other to hate it or love it. I don't live there, I have no desire to live there, I don't vacation there, I don't have anything to do with it. It isn't an issue to me, until America-loathing southron fanatics try to re-write history ala post #1004 and try to make people believe their myths. In their world black is white, up is down, and no lie or no falsehood is too outrageous so long as it paints the North in general, and Abraham Lincoln in particular, in a bad light.
I don't think I'll allow you to claim a monopoly on patriotism.
Well said. Eternal victimhood destroys those who practice it.
Has it been a couple hundred posts now, so that you can start in again?
Hanging onto this silliness is smearing the republican party with the sins of the democrat party and hurting the chances of the republican party to be a majority party.
All I ever hear is threats not to vote and mass hysteria over minutae while ignoring the big issues facing the country.
If true, this thread wouldn't get 10 posts.
VA has far more important things to worry about...
like... RADAR DETECTORS...AHHHHHH!!!!
From Lincolns 1st debate with Douglas 21 Aug 1858:
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which in my judgment will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong, having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary.
From Lincolns 4th debate with Douglas 18 Sep 1858:
I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
From Lincolns speech of 17 Jul 1858:
I also yield to all which follows from that necessity. What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.
From Lincolns 14 Aug 1862 speech to a deputation of blacks in the White House (advocating their removal from America):
But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. ...If you're looking for a comparision to Hitler, try looking further North to Lincoln.It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated. ... You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life [as easily], perhaps more so than you can in any foreign country, and hence you may come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case.
But you ought to do something to help those who are not so fortunate as yourselves. There is an unwillingness on the part of our [Northern] people, harsh as it may be, for you free colored people to remain with us.
There is much to encourage you. For the sake of your race you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people.
Some of you never learn so these truths cannot be too often repeated.
There is no doubt that racist ideology is paramount in many of those spouting these despicable defenses of those who attacked the Sovereignty of the United States of America.
Actually refutation of the absurd defenses of those who tried to destroy the Union is crucial in maintaining the reputation of the primer conservative site on the web. If people were to believe those supporting the Traitors of 1861 were predominant on FR its credibility would be destroyed and its effectiveness crippled.
Thus, the Neo-Secessionist lies, distortions, misunderstandings must be confronted. It does take time away from dealing with CURRENT enemies and their supporters.
Read the 9th and tenth amendments. The STATES (the greater) created the federal government (the lesser) as their SERVANT, and delegated it certain ENUMERATED powers. The states did not create the federal government to be their lord and master, as fruitcakes attempt to claim.
4 Supreme Court Justices, 3 of them founders, stated in the same 1795 case that a state could "withdraw HERSELF" from the union. That was a UNANIMOUS holding. Future Chief Justice Marshall in the Virginia convention stated that Virginia could reclaim their delegated powers at will. New York, Rhode Island & Providence Plantations, and Virginia all stated that they could reclaim their delegated powers at will. Numerous state constitutions including Massachusetts stated that the state could alter or amend their government at will. In Federalist 9 Hamilton states the the proposed governemt was a 'the consolidation of several smaller States into one great Confederacy' and 'the confederacy may be dissolved, and the confederates preserve their sovereignty.'
Yep, CASE CLOSED.
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