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ARMED ASSAILANT IS SHOT BY VICTIM
Miami Herald ^ | March 2nd 2006 | Herald Staff

Posted on 03/02/2006 11:19:11 AM PST by ExSoldier

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To: Kaylee Frye
It's strange our forefathers could see so far down the road, the need to bear arms.

A good story for the day, the good guys win one.
61 posted on 03/02/2006 2:21:39 PM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: El Gato
unless he was a Sports figure, a movie star, or some politicians relative

Right. Most of the liberal anti-gun entertainers are carrying or have bodyguards who are. It's allowed because they are better than we are, since we love them so much we give them our money, and then they can tell us what to do and what not to do. Wait a minute! They work for us! Let's fire them.

62 posted on 03/02/2006 3:22:54 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: mlc9852
But there's not the typical maladies of big city vices like adult book stores, strip clubs, gay bars that are "out" and promoted....stuff that tends to degrade life for retirees....? Like the idea of good churches....
63 posted on 03/02/2006 3:26:31 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: lmailbvmbipfwedu

The only logical explanation is that his parents were also brother and sister.


64 posted on 03/02/2006 3:31:38 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: from occupied ga
In fact when you read about some poor schmuck's gun collection being seizured, it's the rank and file that does it.

Unless it's part of a real crime, murder, rape robbery, etc on the part of the gun owner/collector, except in a few jurisdictions, its generally the BATFE, which aren't real cops anyway, that does this sort of thing. The bottom of the barrel in federal "law enforcement".

65 posted on 03/02/2006 4:11:12 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
its generally the BATFE, which aren't real cops anyway, that does this sort of thing.

Didn't you see the "real cops" confiscating little old ladies guns in New Orleans? They weren't feds.

66 posted on 03/02/2006 4:48:30 PM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
They weren't feds.

IIRC those particular ninja weren't even from Louisiana!

67 posted on 03/02/2006 6:46:58 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
Actually, I can't beacuse there are more than a few [dull momments] for me whenever I'm at work in the downtown Coral Gables office building my company is situated in.

Interesting. I was born, raised and currently live in Coral Gables. We should get together for a drink sometime. There's a couple of great places on Miracle Mile: Tarpon Grill and Houston's. There is also an AWESOME Sushi bar down on Ponce de Leon called Taisho. All you can eat for under $20. I sometimes put away thirty pieces of nigiri at a time.

I'm more of an Outdoorsman at heart and long for some REAL wilderness & wildlife.

Ever been on the Loop Road or Turner River Road? Is your Excursion a 4x4?

68 posted on 03/02/2006 7:13:12 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
weren't even from Louisiana!

No they weren't from LA; many NO police abandoned their posts. As I recall they were from several jurisdictions including the Peoples' Democracy of Kalifornia, but my point is that they were ordinary "rank and file" police that all too many people on this board seem to think can do no wrong.

69 posted on 03/03/2006 4:03:27 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
I think the regional point is valid too. The thugs who grabbed guns weren't from the region and did in fact hail from antigun jurisdictions to start with. When they first got to the south, most were appalled at the numbers of guns in private hands....their hands being the ONLY "correct hands" of course. It was easy for them to grab guns and I'll bet they didn't even realize the danger they placed themselves in; had a true sheepdog been amongst the sheep. IMHO, these sheepdogs put themselves into the category of WOLF when they failed to resist the blatantly unconstitutional orders. Fifteen years ago, I seriously doubt any southern LEO would have obeyed such an order. Today in the face of an accellerating UN agenda in the public schools, it's no wonder that both the ranks of LEOs and the military are turning against the Constitution and the citizens.
70 posted on 03/03/2006 5:26:47 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
I think the regional point is valid too

I understand the regional point, but I don't think for one minute that police in alabama or Floride or Georgia, if ordered to confiscate guns, would hesitate any more than police in New York.

71 posted on 03/03/2006 6:07:56 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
I don't think for one minute that police in alabama or Floride or Georgia, if ordered to confiscate guns, would hesitate any more than police in New York.

You didn't read all of my post on that. I agree with you as the situation stands now. But 15 or 20 years ago, before the liberals and their masters, the globalists, got 'hold of these folks, the southern traditions were still in full force and although some would turn traitor, I seriously doubt that 99% of the cops from THAT era would turn on their neighbors in such an unlawful order. But today? Proof is evident.

72 posted on 03/03/2006 6:12:27 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
You didn't read all of my post on that.

You made a false assumption - ie that I didn't read it all. I did. I just don't see what might have been true 20 years ago has any bearing on the developing US police state of today. And as far as some "turning traitor" police work appeals to those who like enforcing laws. There are very few who go into a police career thinking that there are laws that shouldn't be enforced.

Prior to 1968 you could order WWII surplus cannons through the mail and ammunition for them. Now the thought of anyone with anything but the very limited caliber and firearm selection available legally today gives police and other government bureaucrats, the MSM, and a large segment of the populations instant enuresis.

73 posted on 03/03/2006 6:59:05 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
I based my reply on how you replied to me.

I just don't see what might have been true 20 years ago has any bearing on the developing US police state of today.

I was trying to show a progression that is contrary to the health of the nation today, but it wasn't always that way.

And as far as some "turning traitor" police work appeals to those who like enforcing laws. There are very few who go into a police career thinking that there are laws that shouldn't be enforced.

I used to make my living as a State level LEO. Then, as now we give to our police officers something called discretionary powers which means society allows them certain latitudes in enforcing the law. Ever heard this: Okay, I'll let you off with a warning this time...? Well that is a prime example. We do not expect our cops to be mindless automotons, even though they sometimes act like that.

When I was a Probation & Parole officer I saw many examples of poor judgment in the judicial system. Folks who just should not, by circumstances, BE on probation. I had the files. I had all the facts the prosecutors and judge had. If, in my judgement, a "client" had served most of their probation without violation and was to all accounts a good citizen...well I ran it by my superior (who always said USE YOUR JUDGMENT) and went to court to get them off probation early. OTOH, I wasn't shy about observing behavior that violated conditions of probation and re-arresting the offender and going forward in the process of returning that offender to prison. That is discretionary power. Florida is not an "open carry" state, yet after Hurricane Andrew, it was common for neighborhoods to go about their area armed openly and the cops turned a blind eye because they saw the display as an asset and not a hindrance or a danger. They chose not to enforce the law.

Prior to 1968 you could order WWII surplus cannons through the mail and ammunition for them.

About ten years ago, I met the requirements to purchase a surplus M1 Garand from the U.S. Government via the program run by the DCM (Directorate of Civilian Marksmanship) as an NRA certified Instructor and rifle competitor. I bought the gun for $165.00 Guess how the government sent me my gun? Yup: U.S. Mail!

74 posted on 03/03/2006 8:10:57 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
was trying to show a progression that is contrary to the health of the nation today, but it wasn't always that way.

I can't disagree with that. As you say, the progression is obvious - look at the difference in Hurricane Andrew where as you say the some officers chose not to enforce the law, and Katrina where they enforced non-existant laws. I personally considered them to be nothing better than the other two legged predators and parasites roaming the city at that time. I had to opportunity, but not the money at the time prior to '68 to get a solothurn 20mm. I'm sorry now I didn't try harder to find the $$$

75 posted on 03/03/2006 8:26:12 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
I had to opportunity, but not the money at the time prior to '68 to get a solothurn 20mm. I'm sorry now I didn't try harder to find the $$$

As my students say: I feel ya, man. Ever seen the video that Mike Dillon (Dillon Reloading machines) did wherein he used a huge portion of his huge ranch to fire up a car, and some remote aerial drones with electrically operated QUAD 50 BMG'S? He had to sit in the gun mount! He also used a wide variety of Class III weapons demonstrated by his lovely daughters and I think he also has a 20mm chaingun that's on the video. I wish I could afford all of that hardware! Then I wish I could afford to feed all that hardware.

76 posted on 03/03/2006 8:32:42 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

Yes I did see it - I've also operated a Ma Deuce. Very effective device. I wonder what the NO jack boots would have done if they ran up on a survivalist type who was equipped to deal with their stuff? Good thing for all that they didn't


77 posted on 03/03/2006 10:27:54 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
I've had M2HB's on my FAVs (Fast Attack Vehicles -- the first US Army Dune Buggies) back in the 1980s when I was on active duty. I too love the venerable Ma Deuce.

I have to agree with you. My very best friend retired in 1998 from the US Army as an 05 (LTC) of special forces. He moved to Maine and lived like a small town teacher should. But I got him nervous on the Y2K scenario and so he invited some folks up to his place for a New Year's eve party in 1999. Three of his old A-Teams.

I dunno about you, but I wouldn't want to be the cop who decided to take on 37 green beanies who didn't feel like cooperating with big brother....in the woods.....at night? He made the comment to me just a few hours before zero hour that if the world went to Hell, they'd already decided to lurp up and down the nearby interstate (2 exits in both directions) and as they put it: drop the spans.

78 posted on 03/03/2006 10:49:29 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
I dunno about you, but I wouldn't want to be the cop who decided to take on 37 green beanies who didn't feel like cooperating with big brother

Goes double for me. Although you gotta wonder what they were planning on using to drop the spans - on second thought I don't really want to know :-)

Speaking of ma deuce, a friend of mine got an email that was circulating on the effectivness of the various weapons in Iraq. The comment on the M2 was something like "worth it's considerable weight in gold. really puts their dicks in the dirt"

79 posted on 03/03/2006 11:08:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
The comment on the M2 was something like "worth it's considerable weight in gold. really puts their dicks in the dirt"

That exact comment has been inscribed in the diary's of infantrymen since it's inception and particularly since WWII, but I think the M2 pre-dates that war.

80 posted on 03/03/2006 11:33:19 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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